Seriously, folks, please don't lump all of us into the same category. I have been selling LTDs at my friend's carrier in order for him to be able to fund the completion and maintenance of his carrier. I already have well over a billion credits. I really don't need more and mining for me is a relaxing and enjoyable activity. So my friend can take all of those diamonds and sell for a higher price at a normal station. As I see it, it's a win win scenario.
New players being explointed by carrier owners?
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Case in point
Capitalism isn't about market competition or fairness, it's just about making as much as possible with the primary motive of having more than everyone else.
Mine is in a system one jump over with 3000 demand at max buy price. I really did it on a lark not really expecting anyone to sell there. Someone did. Someone or someones sold 192T of LTD. My guess is they stopped off for repair/refuel/rearm checked the market and decided to sell a few. Or landed at the wrong carrier LOL. Then went back to mining. It's about the right amount for a mining Python. Shruggs, I did not make anyone sell them, and I will eventually sell them for 1.2-1.7, so I am going to profit as well.
I don't feel as though I exploited anyone. I offered an option to waiting on a taxi FC or making 200Ly worth of jumps. They decided what they decided.
I don't feel as though I exploited anyone. I offered an option to waiting on a taxi FC or making 200Ly worth of jumps. They decided what they decided.
If you're in a good spot, the LTDs will continue to trickle in: 300-400 per day. I also offer to buy Painite at max price and VOs for about 900k. One consequence that I did not predict, is I'm still making runs in my cargo cutter. I wait for the best selling system to be in a 6-10 jumps range and then go sell a load.
I think I am in a terrible spot for that actually, but I will see what happens. It was not intending to have that sort of stuff trickle in. Going to slowly just fill the hold then move the carrier close to a best sell, and dump 15K just about as slowly. Then I will be able to:
So what is the exploitation here?
If we replaced the player owned Fleet Carrier with NPC Fleet Carrier, and had the same situation, then would it change anything? would it be less exploitative of players if NPC's did that?
Anyway, the miners have a choice, is the lower price at the Fleet Carriers worth it, or should the miner fly back and forth between the mining site to sell at a higher profit? how does the earning per hour look in each scenario? Jumping some 450 LY to sell and then another 450 LY back to mine some more , that is some 15 jumps in each direction, and since we are talking about so many jumps, you will also need a fuel scoop, so that is even less cargo/mining gear. or hitch a ride with a carrier back and forth. So we talking about some 30+ minutes of just jumping back and forth, and that is not taking into account time to fuel scoop. How much could you earn in that time frame if you instead mined that time instead and selling at a lower price? You might get away without needing a fuel scoop, but then you need dock to refuel ad that takes time that too... and we assume you are super efficient in the jumping. so if you are slow and fuel scooping all the time, then I think we are looking at 2+ minutes per jump, and now you would be spending over 1 hour flying back and forth... so that starts the question what is the most boring activity mining or jumping/fuel scooping?
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You are misreading what you quoted. He was referring to players selling a couple of LTDs on a carrier taxi as a tip to the owner as a thank you for the ride. That is certainly not giving away 70% of the profits unless they are so happy that they dump it all - which kind of would defeat the purpose of the trip on the carrier in the first place.
Having price caps in place does not exclude a country or system to still be considered capitalist with rampant capitalism at work. While I agree that in general a free market capitalist society should let buyers/sellers solely determine prices, over time most developed nations have learned to practice a more nuanced form of capitalism because of the chaos that can ensue under unlimited price theory..
For example, most reasonable ppl are going to agree the United States and U.K. are pretty darn capitalist societies. So much so that historical enemies of these countries with different systems throw the 'capitalist pigs' label around quite frequently.
Yet in both the USA and UK, there are price cap regulations in place for utilities. In the USA, recently as 1984 price caps were put in place for telecom to limit the rates that could be charged, and in UK price caps on utilities like electricity, water, etc are common. This is a state power (e.g .Fdev) mandating a price cap (FC buy order price cap on tritium) - unless you don't consider the USA and UK reasonable examples of capitalism at work, you can't deny some regulations on capitalism is the norm.
So while I would concede the point that for any nation/system to be 100% capitalism, there would have to be zero regulations, I would also say this is a mythical unicorn and standard that does not exist in any real scenario - every modern country on earth that considers itself or is labelled by others as capitalist has some form of regulatory agencies throttling buyers/sellers (rent control, wage minimums in private sector, wage maximums for federal GS rated jobs, etc)
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More the potential for people who don't check things to lose out I imagine. I was Buckyballing my way out to Colonia over the last two days, I stopped off at one of the Colonia Connection spaceports to repair half way there. There were 2 Fleet Carriers in the system, so I went into the System Map and looked at the details for them. The first one had hardly anything fitted and no repair. The second one had everything fitted.
I almost selected it to go and repair there, till I noticed they had set their tariff to 70%
70%!!! Who's going to use that, when there's a starport in the system? Only people who don't check.
I almost selected it to go and repair there, till I noticed they had set their tariff to 70%
70%!!! Who's going to use that, when there's a starport in the system? Only people who don't check.
I totally agree with you that even in most capitalist countries some sort of pri e regulation does exist, as for ur example - prices caps for utilities exist in most of countries. im afraid i shouldnt use term capitalism - it was shorthand for market self regulation would automaticaly solve this issue.
Also i believe both carrier owners and miners would benefit since more miners would just sell all cargo and go back to mining.
Yeah yeah, it was pointed out already - i got it.
But - it doesnt explain all cases - because not all ltd shops are performing taxi service.
Example below:
Just like apparently popular argument "hey they are saving time cause they are not jumping" - cause carriers are flying in an out all the time and ppl can just catch a ride. Also, at that day, selling system was 88ly from mining site.
On the second thought - meaby i was in system during rush hours - meaby ppl are selling ltd when noone is offering taxi. Need to check that.
I think the trouble is, that you were trying to tell us you bought LTDs for 1.7 millions.
That's not possible via carrier though because the maximum sell-price is 1000% of the galactic average, which amounts to about 500k.
This was obviously a lie or you completely mis-phrased the sentence.
EDIT:
I think I got it now. You flew to a mining system and then to a system that bought diamonds for 1.7 millions. Now it makes sense...
I do agree the price cap FD has set for FCs should be higher though. I assume they put the cap in place to try and deter easier transfer of credits between commanders/players. If that was the hope, they failed b/c that's already easily possible now - but I do concede by putting the cap at such a relatively low cap vs market max, it does throttle the rate at which pre-agreed transfers can take place (e.g. player A agrees to buy from player B some chunk of X at 10 million credits in order to give player A essentially a free credit transfer)
Basically, it's a typical FD move - it doesn't deter or remove the scenario of whatever they try and control, it just makes players have to invest more time, e.g. grind, more to achieve the same result.
Basically, it's a typical FD move - it doesn't deter or remove the scenario of whatever they try and control, it just makes players have to invest more time, e.g. grind, more to achieve the same result.
And me. Call me weird, but fuel and repair prices are so stupidly cheap that I will purposefully visit a FC with a high tariff for the realism of a realistic price, along with the knowledge that I'm actually participating in a player-based economy. So all you high-tariff FC owners, raise your hands!
That's not even close to 'exploitation', but enough other Cmdrs have chimed in to point that out, so here's an example of proper carrier exploitation...
Park carrier at 'Kirre's Icebox' (or whatever the mining cult is calling it), announce jump to system buying LTDs for 1.7mcr, jump 500ly away from the bubble, jump another 500ly... demand payment in LTDs for return.
Park carrier at 'Kirre's Icebox' (or whatever the mining cult is calling it), announce jump to system buying LTDs for 1.7mcr, jump 500ly away from the bubble, jump another 500ly... demand payment in LTDs for return.
It's Gankin' on a corporate level. Pew pew is so yesterday.
Those with out FC face a 712 ly round trip to sell station and return if they don't use a FC today and you only get 1.3mill if you use a small ship for LTD...
A 712ly round trip or ride a Fc there and back or sell to FC...
or
Go do painite2 mining instead... with 200Ly round trip...
Its a choice which one do you take...
A 712ly round trip or ride a Fc there and back or sell to FC...
or
Go do painite2 mining instead... with 200Ly round trip...
Its a choice which one do you take...
Elite Dangerous, there will always be thoughts that will win some and though that will loose some, the important thing is they will learn eventually and chose to either make the same mistakes or make better choices. I can't believe my luck with tritium thanks to fleet carriers its better than LTD with a low and high station within 2 jumps when cargo hold is full.
Edit: it would be even better if a fleet carrier was in the same system of the low cost tritium with a high cost buy and than I wouldn't even have to jump.
Edit: it would be even better if a fleet carrier was in the same system of the low cost tritium with a high cost buy and than I wouldn't even have to jump.
Wow. Just wow. I don't even know where to start.
Yet again, here we have a specimen who cares how much or little someone else in a game earns. I mean... Wow. Get a life.
Yet again, here we have a specimen who cares how much or little someone else in a game earns. I mean... Wow. Get a life.