FDev - mining with SLF still works and there should be punishment for those who abuse it.

[jacozilla]

Well, they are both progression currencies. You can't buy ships or modules for mats, though, and the only things you really need in the game are ships and modules. So credits represent the core progress counter. Yet we can get done with the progress they represent in a very short time.

Exploration rank has also been rendered near worthless, as it used to be a counter for how far you had been away from the core systems. Now you can bring the UC with you on a carrier, meaning you can obtain the payout, tags and rank without actually going back to civilisation where the data is supposed to have actual value!

FD seems hellbent on removing any progress and challenge from the game.

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I would bet fdev rolls out another new currency with odyssey - so we will have credits as currency for base stuff, mats as currency for improving stuff, and whatever X odyssey collectible to get / improve planetary legs gear

 

[Guyperson]

It's probably impossible to reverse it - after all there is legit ways to mine LTD and I doubt the logs they have can discern whether LTD that were sold were laser mined, core mined or hail from SSD.

Your client has to ask the server to spawn the chunks and then again to convert them into refinery and cargo units when you pick them up. There's every reason to belive they'd know exactly how you got them.

 

[Sysmon]

I would bet fdev rolls out another new currency with odyssey - so we will have credits as currency for base stuff, mats as currency for improving stuff, and whatever X odyssey collectible to get / improve planetary legs gear

Shoes.

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[J3DI]

Use the SLF to fly away from the rock. Far enough and the SSD are reset and ready to mine again. A relog does the same thing, I think. Seems like more drawbacks to using the SLF but its sexier to say "SLF exploit"

You can switch to your fighter and back to your mothership faster than a relog.

 

[Tharrn]

Your client has to ask the server to spawn the chunks and then again to convert them into refinery and cargo units when you pick them up. There's every reason to belive they'd know exactly how you got them.

But is it all logged?

 

[dognosh]

Perhaps, but it has been Frontier's precedent to revert ill-gained assets until relatively recently.

There was a bug right around launch were several CMDRs wound up with, and spent, 4 billion credits (a huge sum then)...Frontier eventually docked it all from their balances. Around the same time it was possible to buy modules at 10% off in Shinrarta, then sell them for full price one jump away; those gains were also reverted. Not long before 3.0 there was the 5-for-1 Engineering exploit which resulted in Frontier removing huge numbers of modules, with no compensation, from many CMDRs. There are several other examples I'm vaguely aware of.

In each case Frontier has reiterated the statement that has always been in the EULA in one form or another, which makes it clear that those who are abusing exploits could face punishment.

They do seem to have been slacking off recently, but that shouldn't be seen as licence to abused obviously unintended mechanisms.

But even at the start they were ignoring some "exploits" , like getting a huge bounty(over a billion) on your head then getting a friend to kill you and claiming it, then swap.
I do believe the engineering exploit was dealt with severly as it was kept secret for a long time between CMDRs(harry potter's cronies?).

They have always been wishy washy and inconsistant about exploits. This latest one won't get reversed imho, and if they do, then Cmdrs will have to live with the consequences of exploiting the game's mechanics.

 

[Zannry]

What you should never do, people who exploit should get their money removed - right thing to do.

Alternatively, anyone who has 50% or more of their total assets derived from mining should be given free livery on all their ships. Might I suggest a triangle of cheese set as default that cannot be overwritten?

 

[jacozilla]

But is it all logged?

even if it was all logged (doubtful), is it all discretely logged as specific events that can be data matched to other discrete filter events?

i assume no one is saying merely mining is an “exploit” even if Fdev hasn’t publicly confirmed whether slf respawn method is.

so you’d need logs of not just mining ltds, but presumably data match those events with Slf method. is every fighter deployment and distance when mining logged? Because if not, how would they match merely mining vs slf mining?

even regular respawn method seems fine as Fdev made no mention of cruising out manually with ship to 25km, no mention of patching logout login respawn, just the slf. i doubt Fdev has logs detailed enough to distinguish which type of respawn mining was being done much less matching whether a fighter was nearby or not.

 

[Drelthar]

So again.. why do u wanna punish peeps?

Probably for breaking rules by using exploits

And again: do u reset HGEs for materials?

No, why did you ask?

do u reset Jameson for data?

No, why did you ask?

 

[Drelthar]

..... i doubt Fdev has logs detailed enough to distinguish which type of respawn mining was being done much less matching whether a fighter was nearby or not.

Yep, lots of good points.

The fertiliser bug was probably very easy to check logs against and be 100% sure about - they were transactions performed at the same station without even undocking weren't they?

 

[catanonia]

It still works.

I am not using the fighter bay exploit, but boosting away from the roid about 30km or more (guess work) and then exact reversing (whilst having a drink and smoke) until I hit it again and it works. Done it once to test as I don't have a fighter bay as I have no FC and the cargo is more important than the bay

 

[Guyperson]

But is it all logged?

Considering how much they love their telemetry and they've used it to great effect before I'd say that's a given.

 

[Maggie_Oz]

If you have to work around the game to play the game, you're the one missing out in the end.

 

[jacozilla]

It still works.

I am not using the fighter bay exploit, but boosting away from the roid about 30km or more (guess work) and then exact reversing (whilst having a drink and smoke) until I hit it again and it works. Done it once to test as I don't have a fighter bay as I have no FC and the cargo is more important than the bay

the patch didn’t specifically call out the manual respawn method (flying ship out past 25km then back in) nor the logout and log back in method, only the “immediate” respawn methods / SLF. Neither the manual fly out or logout/in are immediate like the slf video shows, so no reason to think they would have been affected even if patch had worked.

 

[gorankar]

Meh a lazy 100M an hour is not all that different from a lazy 500M an hour. Obscene is obscene. Judging by the complete absence of commanders in Open at Jameson just now, every one is still mining I guess.

 

[Strangepork]

As does title say there is this "exploit" what people use for mining. This video explains all:

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmjJGZx06GA


And with that note there should be some serious implications of people abusing this method.
You took away all the money made with Rockforth Fertiliser and it was clearly exploit you should do the same for those people who abused the SLF method.

Please think of it, if you let this slip then you should rollback all the money you took away from people using Rockforth Fertiliser method too.
What you should never do, people who exploit should get their money removed - right thing to do.

By reporting this here and not privately to FDev, you are personally responsible for the infractions of all CMDRs who use this from now until this is resolved.

 

[Schmack]

You can simply fly away and back. That's not an exploit, nothing was relogged, you just circled around and hey, this rock looks familiar. The exploit is this: Carrier paintjob! Bam.. bought.. wait, where's my painjob? doh!

 

[Guizin239]

They said they fixed it in today's patch

 

[Schmack]

It's so easy to spot the people spamming an exploit when a thread like this comes up.

Reminds me of the people who were rabidly defending the exploits related to passenger missions.

The good old days, Smeaton runs.. yeah we're lucky the world didn't end with that. what did end was interesting gaming for the most part, unless you like Netflix and jump honk jump on loop.

 

[CMDR DragonHorn]

I don't see why is it a big deal? And why someone should get punished for it? Devs messed up, and regular players should be held responsible?

How is it different from encoded mat relog grind? Dav's hope? Guardian Scans + mats with sentinels? Exploits like these are all over in this game, if one wants to do it this way, I say let em.

And on bugfixing, FD are quite hilarious right there. I remember at least 5 attempts to fix DSS bug, where unmapped planets appeared mapped on HUD. First 2 "fixes" were fluke, then bug was present on big bodies only, then on small bodies only. Frankly, I'm not even sure DSS still isn't broke, just gave up on it evetually...