Probably with hatchbreakers.
Why is being a "prey" of a pirate in open a bad game design...
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Probably with hatchbreakers.
I'm under the impression a pair of Point Defense guns make hatch-breakers [mostly] irrelevant?
Are you referring to Reverberating Cascade?
Concur.
If I'm being robbed for a nickel, whoever's robbing me will have to earn it and will likely pay more in repairs than they'd get from me.
Mines and torpedoes
If a player claims to be a pirate but just ends up destroying their victims, then they're either terrible at piracy or terrible at characterizing their own playstyle.
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I think I've only killed the 'client' on purpose a couple of times as if I can kill him I should also be able to disable him and get all that tasty cargo.
The other kills were pretty rare and were mainly due to paper hulls that couldn't withstand the missiles to the drives.
Context and all that, but all I could think of was a SJ[P] castigating you for "blaming the victim."
I still think that the ultimate punishment for illegal PKing should be expulsion from the Pilots’ Federation and a loss of insurance coverage.
That would would do more to balance the scales than pretty much anything else.
That would would do more to balance the scales than pretty much anything else.
I like it... Perhaps Archon Delaine would offer an "alternative" to insurance (based on rating) for CMDRs who pledge.
If that meant an alternate, fleshed-out, outlaw career path, then count me the hell in.
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It's not.
The fact that the attacker has little to no real risk of losing anything if he blows up.
The victim always has the risk of losing a rebuy, possible cargo, mission rep and maybe even years of exploration data. The explorer should not have it easier, no. But the attacker should face similar consequences as his victims does, if he "loses" an encounter.
The fact that the attacker has little to no real risk of losing anything if he blows up.
The victim always has the risk of losing a rebuy, possible cargo, mission rep and maybe even years of exploration data. The explorer should not have it easier, no. But the attacker should face similar consequences as his victims does, if he "loses" an encounter.
Or maybe we shouldn't try to force an arbitrary "balance" to every little encounter than can happen in-game.
Okay, have fun in empty open then.
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Seasoned pirates that shoot at you only do it because you're trying to run away and not give in to their demands.
If you think you can run and successfully escape, by all means give it a go (I know some of my mining ships will, while others won't, so my response will depend on which ship I'm in). That's a calculated risk you're taking as you normally get a warning from said pirate ("don't run or you will be attacked").
I'm not a seasoned pirate and have done this maybe 5-6 times in various scenarios - once I joined a pirate wing who were quite organised (their ships and builds complemented each other well for the task), I was in my pirate Cobra 3 at the time. Before they invited me they asked whether I PK or not, I declined so got the nod to join.
We interdicted a T9 in a high-buying LTD system. The T9 got several warnings to stop and provide LTDs (can't remember how much but it wouldn't have been the whole load) - presumably it was full so 700+ tons.
For some weird reason the T9 tried to run, we attacked as a result, slowly chipping away at his hull, then pausing, then trying to communicate, rather than just whacking them (we were after the cargo, not the ship).
They kept trying to get away (in a T9... it's not impossible but he didn't high-wake and it wasn't the most sturdy build either). He eventually popped, it was tragic as he could've avoided both losing all his cargo and eating a rebuy. We still got about 30t of LTDs so not completely unsucessful. Oh well.
Edit - I also want to say fair play to that T9 CMDR for a) playing in Open and b) not logging on us. Thing is, he would've most likely gotten a free escort to the destination if he'd yielded, and maybe a few more players on his friend list (even gankers don't tend to grief you if you're friended - most players are rather nice and reasonable, exceptions notwithstanding).
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I understand your point of view, I spent the first 4 years (plus MMO Beta) playing with a commander with exactly the same attitude.
I play the game iron man mode, so "over my dead body" is rather terminal to my game porgression! Its just risk management to me, after 3 years of iron man mode and mostly running, I am getting better at it
I think the way I play (the self imposed limitation of open only, and iron man mode), affects the way I play and the way I view the pirate scenario. I suspect the same is true for you. 6 tons of LTD is hardly hard work (I suspect that is what the hahaha is about), compared to having to give up your spot if your run, whether NPC or PC.
Just curious why you feel so strong.
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Simon
To me all the hand wringing about getting wacked in open is ridiculous really its just a game and now its easy to earn creds in today's ED so what is all the whining about really? Because someone 'bullied' me when I was weak and they were strong type of complaint?
I have been hanging around New Borann which is well outside the bubble and there is no law enforcement there as it is anarchy only zones there in the black, YET, I see so many new players in New Borann with their shiny new big ships with 'no protection' what so ever considering where they are and their playing in open and all. When I find commander novice's T-10's/Anacondas and such flown with no armor or shields with their 'cargo only builds' just mining away obliviously in the LTD hot spots 'I make it a point to baptize them' by taking their hulls down to only a couple of percent (or on occasion even zero) so they 'get it' that they are indeed "not in Kansas anymore" Why do I do this? Because that's how I learned the same hard lesson the same hard way that is why.
If your going to take risk like that in deep space with bare bones ships I'd advise then don't do it in open unfortunately, why? "Because of mayhem just like me". ;-)
It is actually fun to be teacher now with SO many new students. ;-)
I have been hanging around New Borann which is well outside the bubble and there is no law enforcement there as it is anarchy only zones there in the black, YET, I see so many new players in New Borann with their shiny new big ships with 'no protection' what so ever considering where they are and their playing in open and all. When I find commander novice's T-10's/Anacondas and such flown with no armor or shields with their 'cargo only builds' just mining away obliviously in the LTD hot spots 'I make it a point to baptize them' by taking their hulls down to only a couple of percent (or on occasion even zero) so they 'get it' that they are indeed "not in Kansas anymore" Why do I do this? Because that's how I learned the same hard lesson the same hard way that is why.
If your going to take risk like that in deep space with bare bones ships I'd advise then don't do it in open unfortunately, why? "Because of mayhem just like me". ;-)
It is actually fun to be teacher now with SO many new students. ;-)
Well, there is nothing bad with killing people who went to open. Since it's open. And not the problem discussed in this thread as well
. As it's not about "pirates/gankers baaaaaad", but about "Hum, being a prey of the pirate is really not fun and may make some people really stick to solo/pg's, also making them tell others that open is filled with demons trying to suck their souls out of their anacondas. Also one may see some new pilots being angry at someone, who killed them for "no reason"
. That is of course a matter of perspecitve, obviously.