He'll go to the happy place. And since persistency is in he wont make it back.
Game Discussions Star Citizen Discussion Thread v12
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I finally looked up what "subsumption" means. From a run of the mill dictionary. Can someone entertain me and tell me what the Star Citisnts interprete into it?
I'd have been more enthralled if they had concentrated their Ai efforts on NPC ship crew...my Caterpillar doesn't have a bar...
Radiant AI. Or possibly GOAP.
But Tippis - consider the emergent gameplay opportunities!
Shelf Stacker! Count the empties! Go to the beer cellar and bring appropriate amounts of restock! Temperature check midway to keep those brewskies at the perfect presentation level!
Stock Rotation! Brave the dangers of broken glass, sharp bottle caps and getting trodden on by Combat Bartenders to ensure product is presented in order of expiry to maximise the client's enjoyment experience!
Emergency Alternatives! Run out of the hottest trendy new brew? Stock up on Mediocre Glug and offer it as a special! Mix up a cheeky Hairy Roberts to go as a chaser - and watch those Commando's explode with delight!
The bartender doesn't manage anything. The game engine manages this. The bartender object can ask fridge object how much is left - this is super easy and standard in object oriented programming for decades and it's all "AI" means.
So - as already said - a pathfinding. Again, standard in games for decades - Deus Ex had better pathfinding than the current Bartender iteration and that's 20 years old game.
So he doesn't execute a script, but follows a recipe. Meaning he follows a script. Because that's what a recipe is - every time you're cooking, you're following a script.
Most of the games do this today anyway, because they don't bother with mocap to begin with.
Path finding combined with some conditions. Revolutionary.
Some more conditions (ifs and switches). Breathtaking progress.
CIG INVENTED FIFO QUEUE, SOMEBODY CALL ALL PROGRAMMING LANGUAGES TO BE REWRITTEN WITH THIS AWESOME TECH.
There's no "by themselves" in computing of this order and approach. They are scripted to have a chance to communicate if they are near enough (possibly with some other routines). There's no magic or revolutionary development in this.
Done in games for decades again - in Deus Ex you had bartenders like this. With limited sentences, sure, but that's the easiest thing to add.
There's nothing in the current bartender implementation that's in any way revolutionary, groundbreaking or piquing an interest for anyone who does game programming. Heck, I did some of these (animation calculation start, path finding to catch player, AI behaving based on objects left in its inventory) for my C++ class's implementation of Bomberman for semester work.
These are all are just big words from CI to bedazzle anyone who's not programming.
What sort of AI you talk about ? SC is only a game. They code gaming AI, not the big one you put on automated cars.
It his particular case, none at all, since a bartender in a space game doesn't really need any beyond the most basic pathfinding (if even that).
That was kind of the whole point, you know…
Hey now, let's not look down on DX bartenders. They'd whip out shotguns and end you if you did something stupid on their turf, with all the combat AI this entailed.
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Yeah. I was actually an AI programmer for a game dev many moons ago so I know the kind of nonsense they get graduate developers to do to keep them busy when blockers happen. Honestly its folly, in an engine that famously eats FPS you want the most efficient way of producing the same results. Game development is about illusion, what you describe above provides no discernable benefit to players. If the marketing department says theres all this cool tech and what I'm seeing is a wonky string of mocaps and some jerky moves between waypoints it is probably as dubious as how it looks and reeks of one department having nothing better to work on.
What your describing above is a bunch of basic state machine AI, it's hardly cutting edge stuff. No learning, adapting or abstraction. I cant see that they are really developing anything useful "queues" and path finding or search algorithms are entry level found in any game over the last fourty years.
A which moment I said that's revolutionary or groundbreaking ?
And it's piquing an interest for the ones who will play the game (at least me).
Following recipes is not hard, that's not the thing to focus. The main thing will be the AI server that will have to manage those recipes (warriors recipes, workers recipes, citizen recipes, etc) for thousands of NPC accross the server and give a feeling of life to all of this. DeusEx is a good example, but a solo game. You don't code mmo AI like AI in solo games.
Bartenders are a testbed for ALL npc in game. Workers in hangars, janitories, salarymans, joggers in new babbage, guards, pirates,etc
CI is saying that, all the time. And they took over a year to implement this. Why? What's taking them so long when the functionality is so trivial?
I suggest you go and play other games, then.
Yes, yes you do. There's nothing in there that needs a different approach aside of - possibly - better queuing system.
That's what CI says. And it's bullcrap - thinking it would work like this. The approach would be all wrong to begin with.
Maintaining an ordered list of ingredients for a script to iterate through isn't exactly AI. It might be SQL 101 if you're bad at picking live-environment db tools, but that's about it.
AI is AI. The only difference in an MMO is that you shouldn't fall into the standard trap of having enemies focus solely on the player character for the simple reason that there is no “the player character” to focus on. And solo game AI shouldn't really do that either, but lazy devs often do it anyway (so we can safely assume that CI¬G will fall into that trap if they ever get around to doing any AI work).
…except that bartenders need no AI and are therefore a horribly idiotic choice for a testbed. They might as well have picked the bar stools as their test actors.
Here's some light reading on one design approach that could have been relevant had CI¬G bothered to actually discuss what they're trying to achieve: https://alumni.media.mit.edu/~jorkin/goap.html (there are a few dead links, but archive.org is a thing). There are many more like it, none of which would be of much use for (or be much used by) an essentially static NPC working from a single dialogue tree script.
Anyway...Death Stranding has just finished downloading...time to go see what another pretentious dreamer full of hubris can manage to chuck out the door when let loose to design and produce a walking simulator on his own...maybe Kojima san has managed bartender Ai too
I started to play it on PS4 at release, currently I'm in chapter 3. So far I had good moments. Not really in terms of gameplay, but atmosphere sor to say. From time to time you reach somewhere and selected track start to play, there is one such scenario when I was really amazed. Beautiful scenery, with the right track after some sneaking from BT's (none of this spoiler, you will do it a lot). I will put into spoiler if you really want to see it
It may not make sense but I like the small fighter meets spaceship design. One of the reasons I like the Imperial Courier.
The screen shot looks great, though. Star Citizen might not nail it but one day I hope some competent company succeeds in what is trying to be achieved. I've said this before but I especially liked the multi cannons in action Ive seen in videos. Unfortunetly those are all the positive things I can contribute.
If they are using an established framework for AI that's good, it might stop them going over budget and refine the development time ...oh