Game Discussions Star Citizen Discussion Thread v12

[GreySix]

Another "FUD" thread in Spectrum, assailed by the white knights:

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My favorite excuse now is, "If you ain't a seasoned software engineer, then you've no right to cast doubt or ask questions!"

... or some variation thereof; here's an excellent example:

"FUD... or tell us what your expertise is?"

I particularly like one reply:

"I don't have to be Gordon Ramsey to know my sandwich tastes like crap. I'm a customer, that's how every other business works.
After all if we could do it ourselves we wouldn't have to give CI money to do it."

The biggest defender of the status quo there is @Kashban, though there are others.

 

[Firkrayt]

And what if I actually am a seasoned software engineer, with practical experience in gamedev?

 

[Asp Explorer]

And what if I actually am a seasoned software engineer, with practical experience in gamedev?

Then you'll know it's the perfect time to buy an Idris

 

[Skizomeuh]

And what if I actually am a seasoned software engineer, with practical experience in gamedev?

If you're not working for CIg then you're not good enough for the white knights.

 

[Firkrayt]

Well, d'oh! I will keep lurking here then.

 

[sovapid]

like the Hammerhead for instance, which at the moment is just a pinata

you obviously have not played 3.10 PTU or fly a hammerhead by yourself, in which case it should be a pinata.

 

[sovapid]

Originally the plan was to have everything decided from thrusters and for those to affect the flight model. Then they decided that they wanted to override the thrusters to make the ships perform like they wanted them to anyway.

There is a lengthy write up by the previous flight model guy (John Pritchett?) who left CIG but wrote the explanation before he left.

So they do still calculate everything from the thrusters (sort of), they just make the thrusters as powerful as they want. Whatever it takes to get the desired flight characteristics.

 

[sovapid]

Still haven't seen hide nor hair of the mining buggy...not for sale yet I reckon...unless someone knows different.

Its for Twitch and Youtubers only right now. Know your place peasant!

 

[Asp Explorer]

So they do still calculate everything from the thrusters (sort of), they just make the thrusters as powerful as they want. Whatever it takes to get the desired flight characteristics.

That is surely the sign of a highly developed and fidelitous physics simulation.

 

[Tippis]

Another "FUD" thread in Spectrum, assailed by the white knights:

Spectrum - v7.35.0

RSI’s Spectrum is our integrated community and player interaction service, including chat, forums, game integration, and Player Organization facilities. Player Organizations (“Org”...

robertsspaceindustries.com

My favorite excuse now is, "If you ain't a seasoned software engineer, then you've no right to cast doubt or ask questions!"

... or some variation thereof; here's an excellent example:

"FUD... or tell us what your expertise is?"

I particularly like one reply:

"I don't have to be Gordon Ramsey to know my sandwich tastes like crap. I'm a customer, that's how every other business works.
After all if we could do it ourselves we wouldn't have to give CI money to do it."

The biggest defender of the status quo there is @Kashban, though there are others.

I've always had a soft spot for the simile “I have no formal training in odontology, but I do have a few years' experience in the field of owning and operating teeth, and from that vantage point, I feel quite certain that I could complain about a dentist who took a crowbar to my knees.”

 

[LittleAnt]

Would it be OK if CIG called 3.10 the final release, and then only did bug fixes ongoing?

Perhaps to do a non-SC game it might be OK. Closing alpha now, starting a beta and adding lot of content on the current special mission basis (Covalex, prison caterpillar, Idris attack, etc).
Without server meshing no MMO part, the game will be limited to 50-100 players, so capital ships should be removed and a lot of big ship will have to be 'reduced' to fit the new gameplay.

 

[Tippis]

Again with this fantasy that “server meshing” will solve incompetent networking design…

 

[Agony_Aunt]

Again, the fact that you accept a minuscule fraction of the totality of promises as "fully completed" explains so many things...

To be fair, he did say "for me". I expect a lot more of this as time goes on, as backers start to accept less than what was promised/sold/marketed to them as a compromise towards actually seeing something deliveried.

Of course, it will mean eventually the promised BDSSE will ultimately become JASS (Just another space sim) at best.

 

[ECity]

Perhaps to do a non-SC game it might be OK.

I'm not clear on your answer. It would be OK if CIG never delivered the capital ships players have spent thousands of dollars on?

 

[McGlashan]

Perhaps to do a non-SC game it might be OK. Closing alpha now, starting a beta and adding lot of content on the current special mission basis (Covalex, prison caterpillar, Idris attack, etc).
Without server meshing no MMO part, the game will be limited to 50-100 players, so capital ships should be removed and a lot of big ship will have to be 'reduced' to fit the new gameplay.

That's funny. If they removed SC's whole reason for existing, and then added some actual content, then it could (eventually) be something close to a Squadron 42 MVP.
8+ years and $300m+ well spent.

 

[Agony_Aunt]

You can in 3.10 PTU = present.


Once again I have fun now, so each new year of SC existence is welcomed. Every patch with more fun is just another good addition for me. I don't care about a release date because I enjoy it now. The release will add nothing to my pleasure, only reset my future fleet with the wipe.
The only thing I really want now from CIG is stable server.

Apologies, i thought you were talking about something that isn't implemented yet.

As for the second part then, what im hearing is, if CIG made the servers stable, but stopped development, you'd still have a game that you enjoyed.

 

[Agony_Aunt]

Another "FUD" thread in Spectrum, assailed by the white knights:

Spectrum - v7.35.0

RSI’s Spectrum is our integrated community and player interaction service, including chat, forums, game integration, and Player Organization facilities. Player Organizations (“Org”...

robertsspaceindustries.com

My favorite excuse now is, "If you ain't a seasoned software engineer, then you've no right to cast doubt or ask questions!"

... or some variation thereof; here's an excellent example:

"FUD... or tell us what your expertise is?"

I particularly like one reply:

"I don't have to be Gordon Ramsey to know my sandwich tastes like crap. I'm a customer, that's how every other business works.
After all if we could do it ourselves we wouldn't have to give CI money to do it."

The biggest defender of the status quo there is @Kashban, though there are others.

One of the funny things about this defense is, there are many people who are software developers, network engineers, etc, who are critical of the project, who still get told they don't understand software development, frequently by those who don't understand software development.

 

[Agony_Aunt]

And what if I actually am a seasoned software engineer, with practical experience in gamedev?

That just means you are a hater and your opinion can be dismissed.

 

[Iron Golem]

Dug this up from last week.



It's at times like this that I wonder what Peter Molyneaux would have done with $300m...

He had his own mini sc with Godus. Then Chris Roberts came and said hold my beer.

 

[Firkrayt]

Perhaps to do a non-SC game it might be OK. Closing alpha now, starting a beta and adding lot of content on the current special mission basis (Covalex, prison caterpillar, Idris attack, etc).
Without server meshing no MMO part, the game will be limited to 50-100 players, so capital ships should be removed and a lot of big ship will have to be 'reduced' to fit the new gameplay.

What heresy is this? Will it be OK for a BDSSE we are discussing here? And haven't you said yourself:

The release will add nothing to my pleasure, only reset my future fleet with the wipe.
The only thing I really want now from CIG is stable server.

Finally, putting a non-SC into the picture you essentially move SC outside of space sim scope by defining a scope of its own. Now the comparison with hoop rolling is not a mockery, but a perfectly valid evaluation. For a non-Hoop-Rolling SC is doing just great. Hooray?

One of the funny things about this defense is, there are many people who are software developers, network engineers, etc, who are critical of the project, who still get told they don't understand software development, frequently by those who don't understand software development.

"I don't know much about software development, but what I do know allows me to make a Bold Statement"