waiting for them to fix mining before playing

Exactly the point... mining's not broken. Still plenty of stuff can be done with it.

A lot of "Mining is broken" is actually just "I can't get LTDs or Tritium", which is a whole other issue. Problem being, fixing that will just make mining OP again. Building mechanics on top of other unbalanced mechanics always leads to this.

But it is broken. And that can be seen from the Issue Tracker. Everyone knows mining was too good. Whether you were against mining or an avid miner. Of course it was too good. So a nerf was inevitable. But the nerf broke some things. It's hard to see where it is currently without those smaller issues being fixed. If fixing those issues makes mining OP again, then another nerf will probably follow. That doesn't mean the problem doesn't need to be addressed. A bugged feature to what was an overpowered problem doesn't make it right. We'll see what FDev does. Though from my short time here, it seems when something is fixed, another thing gets broken. Scary cycle.
 
I've seen enough of these juvenile sense of entitlement threads as of late and it's boring...like mining.

Certainly the temperature went from 0 to 1000 in a day. I think the shrieking and stamping of feet has been insane and really, I mean insane.

I’m no archivist for the forum but in the brief time I’ve been here, I’ve never seen anything like it. What makes it worse is, generally, the average age of ED is way higher than a lot of other games. Grown men having fits. One week.

The chap I always think about is @Rubbernuke, I’ve seen him, consistently but patiently ask for PowerPlay to be looked at. He has some good, constructive thoughts and suggestions. He carries on, quite calm.

This recent flurry of just caps lock shouting, demanding, quite abusive posts is, in the true sense of the word, remarkable.
 
It is just all very amusing to me...if the poor bloke actually did buy the game just to mine, I do feel sorry for him...but I suspect he didn't. It smacks of "Newb cracked that egg for credits but now doesn't know what to do with the omelette."


Even that question..."what did people do before mining?" What's the bit you left out? (For credits) is the answer. What did people do (for credits) before mining? When the game first came out, it didn't even have limpets. You had to manually scoop every fragment. Mining in 1.0 was remarkably frustrating and tedious work and you worked and flew for every credit. Now you can wing mine and strip an entire asteroid belt in a week and buy a few Cutters and a Carrier to boot. Or shoot the same stupid rock and eggsploit your way to Carrier.

It was broken and needed fixing. It's unfortunate that you came in mid-story arc, though. New guys don't have a context and I do see how this could take them aback.
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I'm a major advocate of revisiting and balancing the rest of the activities in Elite to be up to par/as rewarding as mining. So your issue with Smuggling, I can completely agree with. Why mining as a profession seems to jump the queue is a question for FDev. I've gathered from lots of reading that the jobs in game have had a disproportionate balance since the game's inception. Why FDev has been reluctant to comment on why that is and if it is intended, I've no clue. If mining keeps getting tweaks with no adjustments elsewhere, that's an issue with the developers, not miners.

Although mining works to some degree as you mentioned it's been alluded, it's not exactly complete. With janky hotspots, minerals like Tritium practically disappearing from rings, some minerals popping up outside of their hotspots/rings, it's clear something is wrong and until it's properly fixed, I personally can't say, "Mission Accomplished!", until there's an actual even field to test out the changes. I don't see what's wrong with that above image though, but also, I'm filthy rich so * shrug *
It was all skewed by the new mining in Beyond, we complained that blowing up cores should be better paid, and unfortunately fdev listened (lesson there fdev). They "fixed" it but left all the other mining worthless and unused, and this accelerated into what we have seen in the last 6 months.

Someone is to blame and we all know (TJ) who it is, but I won't say who, that would be unfair.
 
Certainly the temperature went from 0 to 1000 in a day. I think the shrieking and stamping of feet has been insane and really, I mean insane.

I’m no archivist for the forum but in the brief time I’ve been here, I’ve never seen anything like it. What makes it worse is, generally, the average age of ED is way higher than a lot of other games. Grown men having fits. One week.

The chap I always think about is @Rubbernuke, I’ve seen him, consistently but patiently ask for PowerPlay to be looked at. He has some good, constructive thoughts and suggestions. He carries on, quite calm.

This recent flurry of just caps lock shouting, demanding, quite abusive posts is, in the true sense of the word, remarkable.
I agree. I'm a semi long time lurker. No forum fixture by any means but I've seen this type of stuff before in almost every game forum. I understand passion but yes this is outright absurd. And to think the higher average of age of this game makes it that much more painfully obnoxious. I certainly didn't buy this game for mining. Have I done my fair share, sure. I didn't get where I am currently because of it though. My entire being here is to positively interact with the community but that seems to be challenge in it's own right. However there is no shortage of passive aggressive petulance with the subject matter. Sigh
 
Probably. Which in turn still means that the developers needs to adjust the rewards from other activities. I see mining as a newer system that's getting the adjustments needed as part of the more refreshed part of the game. FDev needs to apply that same level of love to the rest of the game rather than focusing on what's current and leaving older systems to rot.
People have been saying balance needs ... balanced ... for a long time. It's not that fdev have shown "love" to mining and need to apply it to the rest of the game - it's that mining both rescued the game in terms of an engaging revitalisation of a placeholder mechanic, and broke it due to complete lack of balance. The changes to mining in Beyond were brilliant, and The Disaster that has made (for example) people think the game is 2 weeks of mining to get to end game.

Its ed. (btw, fdev forum filter - the irish word that is similar to another F word, does NOT mean the same thing. Get your filter sorted.)
 
Anyone know when they are going to fix mining?
I can't tell like if this is just how mining will be in the game now, or if like the two weeks I played from July 2nd to the 14th are the way mining is.

That's FDev for you vis ED: it's often hard to tell if something is bugged or if it was done that way be design.
 
But it is broken. And that can be seen from the Issue Tracker. Everyone knows mining was too good. Whether you were against mining or an avid miner. Of course it was too good. So a nerf was inevitable. But the nerf broke some things. It's hard to see where it is currently without those smaller issues being fixed. If fixing those issues makes mining OP again, then another nerf will probably follow. That doesn't mean the problem doesn't need to be addressed. A bugged feature to what was an overpowered problem doesn't make it right. We'll see what FDev does. Though from my short time here, it seems when something is fixed, another thing gets broken. Scary cycle.
It was broken - and rescued at the same time - by Beyond 3.3. It's been dragging the game down ever since.

And I like mining.

For mining's sake.
 
Certainly the temperature went from 0 to 1000 in a day. I think the shrieking and stamping of feet has been insane and really, I mean insane.

I’m no archivist for the forum but in the brief time I’ve been here, I’ve never seen anything like it. What makes it worse is, generally, the average age of ED is way higher than a lot of other games. Grown men having fits. One week.

The chap I always think about is @Rubbernuke, I’ve seen him, consistently but patiently ask for PowerPlay to be looked at. He has some good, constructive thoughts and suggestions. He carries on, quite calm.

This recent flurry of just caps lock shouting, demanding, quite abusive posts is, in the true sense of the word, remarkable.
Almost like there's two completely different sets of players now.
 
Went into my home system yesterday, hold filled with Voids, LTD and Serendibite. Took a a few hours but a decent fill in my little Python...

The only thing that needs addressing is Tritium IMHO..
 
I haven't interacted much with this forum until recently... I just assumed this was the norm.

I've been around a few weeks now, most of that was lurking.

Seen a lot of toys being thrown out of prams in that time, it was mainly VR whining before (I don't like VR, kills spatial awareness to the real world), now of course it's the great eggs fall from grace.

Gamers will always be the most capricious bunch of weirdos.

It'll be something else next, official forums are always hotbeds of discontentment though. SWTOR, WoW etc, always the same.
 
I haven't interacted much with this forum until recently... I just assumed this was the norm.
Probably so, ebbs and flows....Mostly flows
it was mainly VR whining before (I don't like VR, kills spatial awareness to the real world)
I can understand the VR guys getting upset. To them it is removing all aspects of the game, not some secondary part (mining). I'm intrigued by VR but haven't felt ready to invest. Plus I'm on PS4 and don't feel like turning my PC into a VR spaceship either.

It'll be something else next, official forums are always hotbeds of discontentment though. SWTOR, WoW etc, always the same.
That is true although typically a game like this has more appeal to what you would believe a more mature audience. Evidently not.

Maybe I'm just easy to please with this game but I find it mostly appealing and hardly anything to complain about. (occassionaly hyperspace detrottle stops working for a day or two)
 
People have been saying balance needs ... balanced ... for a long time. It's not that fdev have shown "love" to mining and need to apply it to the rest of the game - it's that mining both rescued the game in terms of an engaging revitalisation of a placeholder mechanic, and broke it due to complete lack of balance. The changes to mining in Beyond were brilliant, and The Disaster that has made (for example) people think the game is 2 weeks of mining to get to end game.

Its gently caressed. (btw, fdev forum filter - the irish word that is similar to another F word, does NOT mean the same thing. Get your filter sorted.)

When I say, "showing love", I mean that it seems mining as a profession has seen a lot more adjusting than any other activity in the game. Being fine tuned to an extent. To what extent is still up in the air since Frontier doesn't seem to vocalize their vision much. Funnily enough, I've seen that video of Braben stating he wants no job to be more lucrative than any other and yet, here we are lol. Otherwise, I agree with your points. I'm not an Elite veteran by any sense of the word and most of my experience in game has been during the gold rushes, but with one extreme end in mind, it's been clear to see that the other activities just are not up to par in terms of reward.
 
But it is broken.
So is smuggling. There's not even any options to continue doing smuggling it's so broken.
So are outbreak massacre missions.

You can see this in the issue tracker too.

Why do these constantly get shoved under the carpet, but break the OP billion-credits-a-day cash cow, and suddenly that's all that matters?

Screw mining. Fix everything else that's been playing second-fiddle to the farce that mining's been for over a year first.
 
So is smuggling. There's not even any options to continue doing smuggling it's so broken.
So are outbreak massacre missions.

You can see this in the issue tracker too.

Why do these constantly get shoved under the carpet, but break the OP billion-credits-a-day cash cow, and suddenly that's all that matters?

Screw mining. Fix everything else that's been playing second-fiddle to the farce that mining's been for over a year first.

Alright.
 
What if some like and want to do that ? it's not PVP simulator , but if tomorow PVP become totaly broken , I guess alot will complain/stop the game.
Oooohhhhh that would be swell.
Imagine the salt and eeeeeeeeeeeeeee the gankers and griefers would deliver if they suddenly couldn't harm other commanders?
Players in Open would rejoice. I know I would even come to Open because for the sake of it.
 
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