Game Discussions Star Citizen Discussion Thread v12

Rubbernuke

Rubbernuke
Viajero said:
Ah well, you see, if SC had limited itself to just a "reasonable amount of ships" (among many other areas where it should have prolly also limited itself) then it would not have received as much funds and generated as much hype as it has. This in turn would have most likely limited features developed aswell (not just ships) including those you think have had some kind of "love".

Praising one of those features without realising this "bigger picture" is what does not seem consistent.
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Well, along with the other game I cannot mention for legal reasons sometimes its best to judge what you can see and play. The other game I cannot mention for legal reasons has had a fair amount of time too and abandoned many of its own features I cannot mention so the 'bigger picture' looks just as muddy.

I'm sorry if that triggers you, but its true. For once SC has one over the other game I cannot mention for legal reasons. Hopefully the other game I cannot mention for legal reasons and the expansion I cannot mention for legal reasons coming soon will change things. But for now I can see the necessity for having detailed ships from a 1st person viewpoint, and since I enjoy spaceships, I'm enjoying myself looking a them.
 

Viajero

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Viajero
Rubbernuke said:
Well, along with the other game I cannot mention for legal reasons sometimes its best to judge what you can see and play. The other game I cannot mention for legal reasons has had a fair amount of time too and abandoned many of its own features I cannot mention so the 'bigger picture' looks just as muddy.

I'm sorry if that triggers you, but its true. For once SC has one over the other game I cannot mention for legal reasons. Hopefully the other game I cannot mention for legal reasons and the expansion I cannot mention for legal reasons coming soon will change things. But for now I can see the necessity for having detailed ships from a 1st person viewpoint, and since I enjoy spaceships, I'm enjoying myself looking a them.
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lol, it seems the one triggered with ED is you for some reason. You seem totally unable to let it go.

As for Star Citizen, which surprisingly is the topic of this thread, you can decide to judge it for what you can see and play indeed, exclusively, and ignore the context; but then you are precisely confirming what was said higher up above supporting a culture of complete avoidance to be held to account (which by contrast is exactly what you seem to ask from FDEV). Either you hold them both to account fully, or you dont. As also said, be my guest.
 
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MTBFritz

MTBFritz
Viajero said:
a behaviour that will contribute to this project continue avoiding to be held to account.
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Aww man I dont know. Last time I went shopping with the wife she got "lost" in a dress frenzy leaving me free to wander around the store on my own. I ended up checking the video game magazines and would you believe it...GameStar is still reporting on it. "Interesting" I thought....."lets see what these guys got on news that I dont know". It was embarassing. GameStar is shilling so hard for CIG but maybe thats what they do in general these days. I think I stopped my last GameStar purchase 10 years ago. They simply print cool looking pictures, point out some of the "complicated issues" and gloss over the obvious elephant in the room droning on and on about "the potential" of the project. It was 2 pages on SC and IMO it was a simple shill piece because they refused to name any of the ugly facts or provide numbers that are actually true. I was too much reminded of the fact that some of the employees are high tier SC backers who also work on reporting the project. And the article sure sounded like it.

So looking at the fluff while ignoring the problems.....this happens on the professional level too and if too many people do it accountability goes out the window (CRs wet dream I m sure)
 

Rubbernuke

Rubbernuke
Viajero said:
lol, it seems the one triggered with ED is you for some reason. You seem totally unable to let it go.

As for Star Citizen, which surprisingly is the topic of this thread, you can decide to judge it for what you can see and play indeed, exclusively, and ignore the context; but then you are precisely confirming what was said higher up above supporting a culture of complete avoidance to be held to account (which by contrast is exactly what you seem to ask from FDEV). Either you hold them both to account fully, or you dont. As also said, be my guest.
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? You are the one getting funny over it, all I've posted recently is a liking for the quite extensive damage models in SC, and wishing another game had something similar. I'm not condoning anything in SC, just that it has something nice in it I wish I had.
 

Mole HD

Mole HD
Viajero said:
That is just one rationalization more though. After 9+ years they start to smell. But hey be my guest. No, the issue here is rather about endorsing and even praising kids to stay up until well past midnight drawing with their crayons instead of asking them to go study and go to bed at a reasonable time when the next day they have to get up early to be held to account at a school exam. The drawings can be all the cute you want but you need to get serious at some point.
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That exact same parental objectivity is precisely why I ended up as a soldier instead of being an artist ;)

I have no real regrets. I've had a very interesting and fulfilling life... just sometimes, in my heart of hearts... I still wish I had followed my creative spirit and broke the mould...

Did this with an airbrush on paper many years ago just after I came out of military hospital...at my lowest ebb physically and mentally. I keep it around to remind me of the cost of getting myself to where I am now :)

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ZeeWolf

ZeeWolf
MTBFritz said:
the fact that the thread is 94% upvoted and riddled with salty remarks confirms your choice of emote. I ve bookmarked it and will "mine" it for more tears later ^^
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Whenever there is bad press and salty comments CIG cash in on the usual plethora of spite pledges

"People are saying mean things, here's some money CIG make them wrong..show them!"

CIG: KERCHING KERCHING

A few weeks later when the analytics say the time is right, CIG will do some minimal damage control with the usual (much cheaper to make than a completed video game) youtube videos and collect the "faith restored" donations from the other side of the community

"faith restored! That's why I want this game to happen and have bought the Idris yet again lol!!"

We've seen this on an annual basis now since 2012, it's the space-game silly season

CIG: KERCHING KERCHING
 
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Ian Skippy

Ian Skippy
MTBFritz said:
Aww man I dont know. Last time I went shopping with the wife she got "lost" in a dress frenzy leaving me free to wander around the store on my own. I ended up checking the video game magazines and would you believe it...GameStar is still reporting on it. "Interesting" I thought....."lets see what these guys got on news that I dont know". It was embarassing. GameStar is shilling so hard for CIG but maybe thats what they do in general these days. I think I stopped my last GameStar purchase 10 years ago. They simply print cool looking pictures, point out some of the "complicated issues" and gloss over the obvious elephant in the room droning on and on about "the potential" of the project. It was 2 pages on SC and IMO it was a simple shill piece because they refused to name any of the ugly facts or provide numbers that are actually true. I was too much reminded of the fact that some of the employees are high tier SC backers who also work on reporting the project. And the article sure sounded like it.

So looking at the fluff while ignoring the problems.....this happens on the professional level too and if too many people do it accountability goes out the window (CRs wet dream I m sure)
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Nobody cares about SC. A 'journalist' gets a press package, copy&pastes part of it, adds some of the included pictures and is off to lunch. They don't 'give real numbers' or 'point at elephants in the room' because, again, nobody cares and nobody will spend more than ten minutes on such an article.
 

MTBFritz

MTBFritz
Ian Skippy said:
Nobody cares about SC. A 'journalist' gets a press package, copy&pastes part of it, adds some of the included pictures and is off to lunch. They don't 'give real numbers' or 'point at elephants in the room' because, again, nobody cares and nobody will spend more than ten minutes on such an article.
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Again, you might be correct that "this is what it is today". I wouldnt know I stopped using magazines for information tapping some time ago. But isnt that a tad sad? And it seems to work too if these tabloids aint out of business yet.
 

Firkrayt

Firkrayt
Rubbernuke said:
This is what that other game lacks, its that lived in personal feel. I want to have rubbish strewn all over the place like a UK Sky white van guy :D
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Anaconda has wiring falling out of it panels.
Rubbernuke said:
Release or not, what I can see right now is great. Being a concept ship nerd this stuff tingles my buttons. However being married means my wife will 'tingle my buttons' by twisting them off if I even smile in SCs direction.
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It's okay, some people want to be Han Solo, some people want to be Wedge Antilles, and some people want to be that guy who repairs the ships in the hangar. Just don't forget to put that wiring back under the panel next time.
Rubbernuke said:
Believe it or not, people with crayons can also work in parallel with those who type. SC is sailing up fudge lake because CR has the management skills of a child in Hamleys.
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It is a pity that we see the product of those with crayons, but don't see the product of those who type for 9 years now. Well, except that one guy that played through every mission of SC42 four years ago.
 

MTBFritz

MTBFritz
Same experience here. It's pretty amazing, but ultimately frustrating on so many levels I just end up rage uninstalling after a few hours. Not just the bugs, but also gameplay and design decisions that just leave me going.... Why tell me oh governor what are these wonderful people thinking?

Don't get me started on the amazing community.
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SFFF (Safe For Frontier Forums) and this must be fake. Nobody sane would go through the ordeal to install this thing, go through the setup phase only to do that...right?


Firkrayt said:
It is a pity that we see the product of those with crayons
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I really like the vids with crayons :)
 

ECity

ECity
Rubbernuke said:
...people with crayons can also work in parallel with those who type.
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Only to a point. Due to dependencies the artists need to wait until the architects have designed out the system (and hopefully implemented at least some of it). Eight years in and CIG is still figuring out fundamentals like the flight model, networking architecture, server meshing, state management, etc.

With SC the artists are in control. One of the talents of a software engineering career is avoiding projects like this. :)
 

Rubbernuke

Rubbernuke
ECity said:
Only to a point. Due to dependencies the artists need to wait until the architects have designed out the system (and hopefully implemented at least some of it). Eight years in and CIG is still figuring out fundamentals like the flight model, networking architecture, server meshing, state management, etc.

With SC the artists are in control. One of the talents of a software engineering career is avoiding projects like this. :)
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:D True- but you would have thought that with good project management you'd know the limitations of the engine and built around that really to begin with. CRs first mistake was choosing the wrong engine to build on. CRs other issue is shifting goals, meaning shader artists, concepts, art grunts, programmers are being wound up like spaghetti and are not working to a plan.
 

Mole HD

Mole HD
MTBFritz said:
You uninstall it every time you ragequit or run into a problem only to install it all again from zero the next day?
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I've never uninstalled it, admittedly...rested my weary head on the keyboard way too often out of frustration, yes. I discovered early on with Star Citizen that the head on the keyboard thing is way cheaper than trashing the Mole Cave by throwing PC peripherals around in a rage ;)
 
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