Question for Open players who don't like PVP/ganking... help me understand

[Phisto Sobanii]

So stop using the wrong words Phisto

By all means be a criminal & perform criminal acts in the game, but don't think you have their permission to do it

As a player I have their permission. Do you understand?

You can always tell a pvp thread is about to get spicy when people start talking about consent.

The fact this word gets bandied about so easily is absolutely the creepiest thing about modern gaming.

 

[PeLucheuh]

Of course, exception being competitive/adversary games. Ganking doesn't fall into this category, but consenting PvP definitely does. A game of FIFA or PES would be a classic example, and ganking is the equivalent of being able to force something to play a match against you - not cool.

League of Legends players right now : « Am i a joke to you ? »

 

[Vetinari]

I got a better one, Passive Smoking.

people in public places consent to breathing in tobacco smoke except in more and more places its socially and legally prohibited.

Are people consenting to breathe in smoke or is it something they dont consent to but put up with instead and at the first opportunity would ban it in most public places and have smoking areas and smoking bars for the ones who do want it? They shouldnt have to stay at home to avoid it if they havent consented should they?

 

[[PS4] Lorenzo Waringos]

I went on the bumper cars at the fair, I was aware that people bumped cars but I didn’t give my consent to be bumped. Someone bumped me. I phoned Claims Direct.

 

[Riverside]

The fact this word gets bandied about so easily is absolutely the creepiest thing about modern gaming.

Stop doing it then.

 

[Riverside]

I went on the bumper cars at the fair, I was aware that people bumped cars but I didn’t give my consent to be bumped. Someone bumped me. I phoned Claims Direct.

How did that work out for you?

 

[[PS4] Lorenzo Waringos]

I got a better one, Passive Smoking.

people in public places consent to breathing in tobacco smoke except in more and more places its socially and legally prohibited.

Are people consenting to breathe in smoke or is it something they dont consent to but put up with instead and at the first opportunity would ban it in most public places and have smoking areas and smoking bars for the ones who do want it? They shouldnt have to stay at home to avoid it if they havent consented should they?

Given that more people drive cars than smoke cigarettes, that the cars cause more air pollution than cigarettes, you should start banning cars first.

I warn you once only.

Leave. My. Cigarettes. Alone.

 

[[PS4] Lorenzo Waringos]

How did that work out for you?

I lost the case. Probably.

 

[Danquememe]

Thats kind of what I expected from Open, to be invited to stuff or PVP or I could just join in,

OK hear me out.

It sounds like your character is off doing exploration far from the Bubble, and that you've had some fun multicrewing with others to break up the boredom.

What if I made an indecent proposal: would you like to jump in multicrew on my Krait, so you could see what ganking was "really like" from the other side of the frag cannons? Since your explorer character is out in the black, whatever notoriety or otherwise you might get by consequence is irrelevant and will be expunged long before you'd ever have to face justice.

We could hang out on comms and you could decide for yourself, after this "ride along", just how evil we gankers truly are.

EDIT: hell, I'd ever let you be my conscience, if you wanted. You could decide which targets met your RoE. You could be judge, jury and executioner.

It's just a thought!

 

[Phisto Sobanii]

I got a better one, Passive Smoking.

Ganking and/or being ganked doesn't carry a cancer risk with it.

So, there's that.

 

[Vetinari]

I went on the bumper cars at the fair, I was aware that people bumped cars but I didn’t give my consent to be bumped. Someone bumped me. I phoned Claims Direct.

Now be fair, that could be an actual genuine Claims Direct advert. Its just not implausible enough.

Given that more people drive cars than smoke cigarettes, that the cars cause more air pollution than cigarettes, you should start banning cars first.

I warn you once only.

Leave. My. Cigarettes. Alone.

Or what? You'll run me over? I smoke too but I consider others before sparking up or just move where there arent people or wait.

 

[Danquememe]

Ganking and/or being ganked doesn't carry a cancer risk with it.

Actually, according to my reading of "the internet," gaming is apparently one of the most cancer-ridden things in existence.

At least, if gamers are to be believed.

 

[Phisto Sobanii]

Actually, according to my reading of "the internet," gaming is apparently one of the most cancer-ridden things in existence.

At least, if gamers are to be believed.

My wife manages a video game retail store. The stories... they haunt me.

Spoiler

 

[Danquememe]

My wife manages a video game retail store. The stories... they haunt me.

CMDR, please extend to her my condolences and best wishes.

As much as I love gaming and gamers, there are some "live ones" out there and I can only imagine what working at a game store could be like. Let alone managing one. As a woman.

I.... yeah. Sweet jesus. I'm sure she thinks your stories of ganking and salt are cute.

 

[Vetinari]

OK hear me out.

It sounds like your character is off doing exploration far from the Bubble, and that you've had some fun multicrewing with others to break up the boredom.

What if I made an indecent proposal: would you like to jump in multicrew on my Krait, so you could see what ganking was "really like" from the other side of the frag cannons? Since your explorer character is out in the black, whatever notoriety or otherwise you might get by consequence is irrelevant and will be expunged long before you'd ever have to face justice.

We could hang out on comms and you could decide for yourself, after this "ride along", just how evil we gankers truly are.

EDIT: hell, I'd ever let you be my conscience, if you wanted. You could decide which targets met your RoE. You could be judge, jury and executioner.

It's just a thought!

I appreciate the thought, the many levelled thought , but if ganking means that one RW person may get emotionally upset by my actions in a game Id rather not. Its just a game to me not a tool to try and get a RW reaction unless its a laugh or a smile (excuse me while I puke)....but you know what I mean. Plus Im on XB, that instance you will never reach....unless Odyssey?

My 'character' (I dont really RP very well, its mainly just me) does a bit of everything depending on mood, I just been Rifting for a week or so and back in few days to help Turn the Wheel (another Community event that has a lot of support and fun times in and out of game). tbh I got a bit bored of the pew pew this morning after last night CQC as well.

 

[Phisto Sobanii]

I.... yeah. Sweet jesus. I'm sure she thinks your stories of ganking and salt are cute.

She does. She also ganks them way harder than I ever could.

 

[Danquememe]

I appreciate the thought, the many levelled thought , but if ganking means that one RW person may get emotionally upset by my actions in a game Id rather not. Its just a game to me not a tool to try and get a RW reaction unless its a laugh or a smile (excuse me while I puke)....but you know what I mean. Plus Im on XB, that instance you will never reach....unless Odyssey?

Sadly, I'm on PC, and there's no crossplay. Womp womp.

I should point out though - there'd be complete plausible deniability for you. You'd just be a passenger, the CMDR credited with the kill would be, if I am not mistaken, the evil ganker at the helm. So long as you don't actuate a weapon, I'm not even sure if you get dinged for the crime (not sure about this one, to be honest)

You could say you were just an observer. You could say they gave false pretense and then things got out of hand. You didn't mean to fire the turreted frag cannon, your finger slipped...

 

[Brrokk]

...
Edicts like Mobius' or the actions of DW2 are signifcantly more problematic than those of Distant Ganks 2.
...

Rubbish. The first two groups are/were trying to provide a good game experience for other players. DG2 were trying to ruin the game for others.

 

[Old Duck]

So play in solo if you don’t give your consent.

This kinda reminds me of the phrase, "If you outlaw guns then only outlaws will own guns." If you chase everyone but combat PvPers from Open, then Open basically disappears from the game except for combat PvPers. Many of us get so much more from Open than this little niche segment of the player base. This is why I block, so I can easily encounter like-minded players without having my game ruined by wings of G5 FDL frag cannon gank squads - it's the best of both worlds

 

[Vetinari]

In MC when you join you join legal or illegal. If join legal any crime you get booted from MC but I think you also get bounties, sure Ive picked up penalties in MC but that was a while ago, not sure recently as I was doing PP at the time which the person in my ship wasnt so no idea if they would have got a PP bounty or even if classed as illegal if they were. If illegal you all share the consequences but stay in MC. The owner gets a lot of control over what you can and cant control with modules and weapons even with turreted, which some arent.

Its in response to griefers 'ganking'* people by joining MC and attacking peeps or police to get a bounty, messing with modules, chucking chaff and heatsinks. Presumably they would have turned shields off or gone silent running or triggered self-destruct if able to. Some people just basically abuse whatever is there and say 'its not against the rules'. Some people huh? Its almost as if they do short term things for short term 'gains', spoil the game for everyone and then just move onto a new game, almost as if they didnt care about the game at all in the first place, almost as if the point wasnt the game but the target, the RW person and the accessibility and ease to grief them.

*I know I misused ganking here but its how it was defended, as allowable ganking not griefing.

You could say you were just an observer. You could say they gave false pretense and then things got out of hand. You didn't mean to fire the turreted frag cannon, your finger slipped...

Unfortunately the above removes my plausible deniability, I have to consciously accept to do crime/illegality with all its consequences.