Question for Open players who don't like PVP/ganking... help me understand

ACowForAllSeasons

ACowForAllSeasons
Havvk said:
So you can gank me and tell me to thank you for ganking me, then you go to lie about me and say that I said I loved being ganked because it let me play the "true way" with PvP?


No. That's the very reason why some people never touch open. You want more players in open? Well don't let it devolve into looking like Mad Maxx on PCP. I don't like the DayZ mentality of KoS just because I can, it's boring and the worst way to play any game period
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No thanks required CMDR, it's just a service I am happy to provide the community.

Jokes aside, you're projecting too much here. I'm not telling people what the true way is.I'm telling them how I play, and that anyone, whether I've delivered unexpected emergent content or not is always welcome to play with me. That you don't want this is perfectly fine and you have FDEV provided modes to escape it. Our play styles, choices and preferences are all equally valid. At the end, as has been noted before - only FDEV could change this and invalidate one of our playstyles. After many years, they haven't done so.
Though amusingly they also have stated that the majority of people play in open.
 

Danquememe

Danquememe
Honestly, now that I've learned a little about the game, if there is any "true way" to play, IMHO it's to use whatever mode suits you in the moment.

Want to visit the Thunderdrome? Go to Deciat at peak hours in Open.

Want to have a transcendent experience of the beauty of the galaxy without some clown-faced psychopath breathing down your neck? Solo awaits you, CMDR.

Have a group of friends and want to do your own thing, without any "Imperial entanglements"? Private Group, here we come.

They're all tools and have a time and a place. The one thing I really have learned is that treating any single mode as "the Way" is actually missing the point. They all exist for a reason. That's the "got good" mentality, IMHO.
 

Havvk

Havvk
Revenant69 said:
Mad Max in space is almost EXACTLY how I look at Elite Dangerous.
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I'm not gonna say you're wrong in the way you play.


But


I will say this: Elite Dangerous takes place in a time that is over 1,000 years into the future. With said future, we as a species, have achieved FTL travel and are very well capable in interstellar travel. We can even hold our own and even defeat an alien race so advanced and alien, that they can be mistaken as gods.


You cannot, even for a second, make me ever believe that human race devolved into pure anarchy everywhere 24/7, as if it's like that movie Purge. We would have never, ever, and I mean e. v. e. r., have even achieved the attempted terraforming of mars, let alone interplanetary travel due to the fact that we are too busy KoSing each other because "haha gun goes brrrrrrrr"


It's stupid and you know it's stupid. A lot of players RP their gameplay, many of those are OG Elite vets. This is how the game is played by many. But when you get some certain individuals come in and try to treat this game and the players as if they're less than canon fodder in whatever CoD game is out these days, is when you have problems.


Play your way and all that, I know.


But

You cannot expect to treat this game like it's a 5-minute timewaster like candy crush.


It's not a "video game"


It's an experience. It must be treated as such, otherwise you get stupid threads like this one or anything "open only"
 

Rubbernuke

Rubbernuke
Havvk said:
I'm not gonna say you're wrong in the way you play.


But


I will say this: Elite Dangerous takes place in a time that is over 1,000 years into the future. With said future, we as a species, have achieved FTL travel and are very well capable in interstellar travel. We can even hold our own and even defeat an alien race so advanced and alien, that they can be mistaken as gods.


You cannot, even for a second, make me ever believe that human race devolved into pure anarchy everywhere 24/7, as if it's like that movie Purge. We would have never, ever, and I mean e. v. e. r., have even achieved the attempted terraforming of mars, let alone interplanetary travel due to the fact that we are too busy KoSing each other because "haha gun goes brrrrrrrr"


It's stupid and you know it's stupid. A lot of players RP their gameplay, many of those are OG Elite vets. This is how the game is played by many. But when you get some certain individuals come in and try to treat this game and the players as if they're less than canon fodder in whatever CoD game is out these days, is when you have problems.


Play your way and all that, I know.


But

You cannot expect to treat this game like it's a 5-minute timewaster like candy crush.


It's not a "video game"


It's an experience. It must be treated as such, otherwise you get stupid threads like this one or anything "open only"
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Social and technological regression / collapse does happen- there is evidence of it in ED with AI bans, slavery, ineffectual policing (and why we have shadowy organizations to 'control' us'). Its like with technology- a lot of tech in ED is hundreds of years old (for example ship designs- rumored because they were AI designs that no human could better).

Believe it or not, EDs setting is dystopianto its core- its 84 Thatcherism in ship form. Its not this cuddly brotherhood sipping tea out of Hutton mugs.
 

Havvk

Havvk
ACowForAllSeasons said:
No thanks required CMDR, it's just a service I am happy to provide the community.

Jokes aside, you're projecting too much here. I'm not telling people what the true way is.I'm telling them how I play, and that anyone, whether I've delivered unexpected emergent content or not is always welcome to play with me. That you don't want this is perfectly fine and you have FDEV provided modes to escape it. Our play styles, choices and preferences are all equally valid. At the end, as has been noted before - only FDEV could change this and invalidate one of our playstyles. After many years, they haven't done so.
Though amusingly they also have stated that the majority of people play in open.
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I may have been projecting, but it's how it is mostly. I've tried being a ganker before, in this game and in many others. It usually always ends up, sooner or later, into a circle-jerking show of an e-peen stroking contest.

That gameplay, for me, is extremely disrespectful to the game itself. I don't like just wanton pew pew in games that have established world building and everything like this game, it is stupid and makes NO SENSE even in a fictional stand point.


If this game was more of a casual like game, like TF2/Overwatch/FTL or anything like that, then it would feel more okay in the world that mindless pew pew is happening just solely for the sake of "haha gun goes brrrr".

There is no in-game establishments that are related on how a CMDR with a bounty of over 500 millions in his 1.2 billion Cutter can just shrug off any consequences of his/her crimes. But the other way around is happening to the opposite side of the spectrum for a poor pilot somewhere in the galaxy. They suffer rebuy, mission loss, cargo loss, rep loss(if doing a mission and having failed). That's a loooooooooooot of work lost. The worst a criminal suffers by comparison is 20 minutes in the timeout chair and a "smack on the wrist" to which nothing is, or ever will be, done to meaningfully "discourage" criminal gameplay.

Look at the bounty cap. Not only is it capped, you'll never even reach that cap anyway because the money you get from the kill on that bounty is only a percentage of their ships current value. So basically you get a small portion their own rebuy's worth in money... So even that 1.2 billion cutter you killed, who had a bounty of 500 million? Too bad, you get $0.02. What is this, Rick Harrison from Pawn Stars? Come on man, I have always wanted to PvP in this game but there is literally no actual in-game reasons to ever do so. Even CQC could have been made great by making it a part of Conflict Zones for when factions were at war.


Nope, just a glorified minigame that's been abandoned and forgotten within its first week of release. LITERALLY FIRST WEEK
 

Rubbernuke

Rubbernuke
Bottom Hat said:
Oh my, you went in through the back door... now that is ballsy!

(I have no idea what I am trying to say, it just sounded a bit naughty again!)
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comes back to door

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Danquememe

Danquememe
Rubbernuke said:
Social and technological regression / collapse does happen- there is evidence of it in ED with AI bans, slavery, ineffectual policing (and why we have shadowy organizations to 'control' us'). Its like with technology- a lot of tech in ED is hundreds of years old (for example ship designs- rumored because they were AI designs that no human could better).

Believe it or not, EDs setting is dystopianto its core- its 84 Thatcherism in ship form. Its not this cuddly brotherhood sipping tea out of Hutton mugs.
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It's almost like he's unaware that places like Afghanistan, Somalia, Guatemala, Mexico, Chicago and Detroit even exist.

There's plenty of anarchy going on all the time, everywhere, constantly. Real life "ATR" is often insufficient as either a deterrent or punishment, too.

And yet, look at the magnificence of what we've been able to create.

Yes, I'm speaking about Tik Tok, CMDRs.
 

thistle

T
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Danquememe said:
It's almost like he's unaware that places like Afghanistan, Somalia, Guatemala, Mexico, Chicago and Detroit even exist.

There's plenty of anarchy going on all the time, everywhere, constantly. Real life "ATR" is often insufficient as either a deterrent or punishment, too.

And yet, look at the magnificence of what we've been able to create.

Yes, I'm speaking about Tik Tok, CMDRs.
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Inspirational.
 

Havvk

Havvk
Rubbernuke said:
Social and technological regression / collapse does happen- there is evidence of it in ED with AI bans(Read about why the Guardians are dead. It's not much an ethical dilemna. It's a "We don't want to risk letting our own creatiosn get the cute idea of thinking killing all humans is the only way to truly save them" B.S. shpiel), slavery, ineffectual policing (and why we have shadowy organizations to 'control' us'). Its like with technology- a lot of tech in ED is hundreds of years old (for example ship designs- rumored because they were AI designs that no human could better).

Believe it or not, EDs setting is dystopian to its core- its 84 Thatcherism in ship form. Its not this cuddly brotherhood sipping tea out of Hutton mugs.
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Well the fact that FDev is the epitome of British...that would explain why everything is intentionally wrong way around despite the fact that it's obviously not right side up.

Looking at you, drivers on the left side of the road and the people who still refuse to catch up the times by using Imperial measurements :)
 

Rubbernuke

Rubbernuke
Havvk said:
Well the fact that FDev is the epitome of British...that would explain why everything is intentionally wrong way around despite the fact that it's obviously not right side up.

Looking at you, drivers on the left side of the road and the people who still refuse to catch up the times by using Imperial measurements :)
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As far as the game lore is concerned, humans did not know about Guardian AI and the war that led to eventual Guardian extinction at the time. Humanity had a separate AI problem that unified all superpowers in banning its development so scared were they of it.
 

Havvk

Havvk
Danquememe said:
It's almost like he's unaware that places like Afghanistan, Somalia, Guatemala, Mexico, Chicago and Detroit even exist.

There's plenty of anarchy going on all the time, everywhere, constantly. Real life "ATR" is often insufficient as either a deterrent or punishment, too.

And yet, look at the magnificence of what we've been able to create.

Yes, I'm speaking about Tik Tok, CMDRs.
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I did not mean to imply that which I highlighted in your qoute. Of course I know this. But you know there's systems that are supposed to have security and/or policing.

It's stupid to make me think that it makes sense that an actual anarchy system is more "safe" than a high security system such as Deciat, Shinrarta or Sol. I can understand places like Lave and all that, low sec/anarchy places. That's nice, no problems there.


It's not a player problem, ultimately.

The true problem is that FDev still refuses to make a C&P system that makes sense and works the way one might think "Crime and Punishment" works. Look at Star Citizen's prison gameplay and stuff like that. We NEEEEEEEEEED this.

We don't want this

We require this.


Otherwise gankers gonna gank for grief points, mining that salt. And the others are gonna do what they do, ignoring PvP altogether.


Meanwhile, hopefully I'm not being the only one like this, those like me are..."forced" is a strong word, but the best I can think of atm...those like me are "forced" in a way, to never really truly enjoy a part of the game they want to, because it's fundamentally broken or just incomplete in some way.





TL;DR



PVP is plain stupid, period. You can like it all you like, that's you, but you cannot deny that PvP is, always have been and continues to be completely pointless even for the simple "haha gun go brrr" reason. It's boring, you get NOTHING out of it, and engineering just made the PvP/PvE gap even worse since it came.
 

Colonia Jesus

Colonia Jesus
tbh I do not care what any of you say, I am just going to play the game the way I want. If you do not like it then tough. I bought a game that actively sold itself as
"hunt down other Cmdrs"
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it never said anything about how well practiced or equipped those cmdrs had to be. If the game allows me to do it without breaking any ToS then that's fine by me.

Notice how I used the word "I" a lot there? that's because I bought the game and spent my money on it. I never bought the game to have to do mental gymnastics explaining to people why and what I do. I bought it so I could blow people up if I so cared. The fact i spent several years Exploring, running factions, and many other "fun" activities are nothing more than a part of my journey in Elite Dangerous.
 

Havvk

Havvk
Rubbernuke said:
As far as the game lore is concerned, humans did not know about Guardian AI and the war that led to eventual Guardian extinction at the time. Humanity had a separate AI problem that unified all superpowers in banning its development so scared were they of it.
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Well the moral of that story is the same, whether you're guardian, human or not.

Self-sentient AI of any kind is always going to end up with a genocided race.
 

Phisto Sobanii

Phisto Sobanii
Danquememe said:
It's almost like he's unaware that places like Afghanistan, Somalia, Guatemala, Mexico, Chicago and Detroit even exist.

There's plenty of anarchy going on all the time, everywhere, constantly. Real life "ATR" is often insufficient as either a deterrent or punishment, too.

And yet, look at the magnificence of what we've been able to create.

Yes, I'm speaking about Tik Tok, CMDRs.
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We already live in anarchy. The state is just armed extortionists.

CHANGE MY MIND.
 
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