The year is 2020 and Elite Dangerous is still P2P. Let's discuss PvE and PvP servers.
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Only Fdev is aware of the actual number's of player's in solo vs open. But I'll bet there is a significant number in solo. And I'd bet a large sum that most solo player's because they don't and or can't get involved in multi-player, have no real usefulness at subscribing to a forum such as here. Thus go completely unnoticed by those that are subscriber's to a forum. I'd venture to say that there are more player's with antiquated connections then there are those with great connections.
Most poster's here tend to think that they are the majority and Fdev should pay attention to them. When in reality, Fdev is thinking of both those that post here and those that don't bother.
ED is a sandbox game and is not only available world wide, is played world wide. However, most of the world isn't or doesn't have more than a basic dial up connection speeds. Anyone liveing in a third world country can attest to the fact that if they have a connection at all, it's not any better than a dial up connection. Which means, though they can play ED, they can't play in OPEN.
Until just recently when a start up company started offering a wireless connection between their tower and the antenna they installed on my roof. My only available connection was via the local phone company, basically a glorified dial up connection. On the best of days my connection was a whopping 500kb, that's kilo bits not kilo bytes, and my "LAG" aka "PING" was 250. Anyone with any real knowledge of connection speeds would tell ya, there's no way to get involved in any type of serious multiply with a connection such as that. My new wireless connection gives me 30Mb and a ping rate of 50. Not sure of the math, but it is considerably better then previous. For instance, RDR2 took 64 hours to download on my old connection and only 8 hours on my new connection.
Thus I can now play in OPEN and for the most part I now do. BUT, due to being in a third world country, I'm plagued with electrical disconnects, which generally happens up to 5 or 6 times a day. Which can and has caused me to be accused of combat logging on occasion. Those that know me, also know what I have to endure, those that don't know me, don't.
Most poster's here tend to think that they are the majority and Fdev should pay attention to them. When in reality, Fdev is thinking of both those that post here and those that don't bother.
ED is a sandbox game and is not only available world wide, is played world wide. However, most of the world isn't or doesn't have more than a basic dial up connection speeds. Anyone liveing in a third world country can attest to the fact that if they have a connection at all, it's not any better than a dial up connection. Which means, though they can play ED, they can't play in OPEN.
Until just recently when a start up company started offering a wireless connection between their tower and the antenna they installed on my roof. My only available connection was via the local phone company, basically a glorified dial up connection. On the best of days my connection was a whopping 500kb, that's kilo bits not kilo bytes, and my "LAG" aka "PING" was 250. Anyone with any real knowledge of connection speeds would tell ya, there's no way to get involved in any type of serious multiply with a connection such as that. My new wireless connection gives me 30Mb and a ping rate of 50. Not sure of the math, but it is considerably better then previous. For instance, RDR2 took 64 hours to download on my old connection and only 8 hours on my new connection.
Thus I can now play in OPEN and for the most part I now do. BUT, due to being in a third world country, I'm plagued with electrical disconnects, which generally happens up to 5 or 6 times a day. Which can and has caused me to be accused of combat logging on occasion. Those that know me, also know what I have to endure, those that don't know me, don't.
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I would rather they used some servers like the BGS server to run things like :-
Working Persistent NPCs
A product based dynamic economy.
INARA style ingame information.
A better system for the Galactic map and Exploration data.
Those type of things would be more interesting to me than a PVE or PVP server.
Working Persistent NPCs
A product based dynamic economy.
INARA style ingame information.
A better system for the Galactic map and Exploration data.
Those type of things would be more interesting to me than a PVE or PVP server.
NEVER say NEVER, pay to play is the future of gaming on a pc.
Video gaming companies depend on sales of their games in part to fund their cost of server's. There comes a time for a variety of reason's, when any game will no longer provide sufficient sales which then means they have to cut back on server's.
Dual Universe for example answer to the issue is, offering their games digital download for free. Digital downloads cost almost nothing to provide. However, one will have to have a paid subscription in order to actually play the game. The estimated price for DU will be 6.99 U.S. dollars. In addition they will also be offering a six and twelve month pay schedule in which save up to a dollar a month. If Dual Universe can offer a digital download for free and a month subscription of only 6.99, how or why does Sony and Xbox get away with charging for the game and a 30.00 monthly subscription.
PC's have avoided the pay to play issue for the most part for years, but times are changing. It's not personal, but business is business and the bottom line is single most important issue with any company, gaming or otherwise. One doesn't have to like it, but eventually one will have no choice but to accept it or ...
This is the best and most succinct explanation of the modes I've seen yet.
Solo is just a temporary block of all other players.
Private Groups is a temporary block of all other players except those in your PG
Open is wide open except for players on your personal block list, or those which have blocked you.
Go to a tablet?
Agree probably not ever going to happen but I always preferred the one world concept like Eve Online does it too. Different system security levels that actually mean something and anarchy really is dangerous, etc. Would mean a lot of reengineering the game to make it viable and people who prefer to play solo would be pi**ed off to say the least.
Never.
I would forego videogames if for some reason everything went to a sub model.
I never have, and never will pay a sub.
This does not represent the vast majority of the open mode player base in my opinion. I don’t have a valid statistical analysis, but my whole squadron prefers open, enjoys role play pvp, and doesn’t enjoy ganking or killing lesser opponents without a rp reason for doing so. The handful of gankers that are currently occupying deciat are a tiny minority of the Open mode player base and do not represent’pvp-ers’ as you call them.As is obvious by current threads wishing to 'entice' players into open
I believe the PvP contingent are well aware that if a PvE option was offered then 'open' as it is today might be considerably less crowded, losing pirates their 'marks' and the 'organic PvP players who prefer weaker opponents' their playmates.
In theory, FD could offer a seperate galaxy, open only, with a client/server architecture.
I'm wondering what the subscription costs for it would be like to pay for the cost of reworking the engine to work with C/S and to maintain the global network necessary for it.
I do hope those who want this have deep pockets. Its not going to be cheap. Might want to speak to FD about the development and operational costs for this and how you are going to fund it. Hmm... perhaps FD could start selling ships for real money to fund it.
What i don't want is FD wasting their own money on this and diverting resources that to my mind would be better spent on a whole range of other features. Its not just networking devs, it would be devops people, management, QA.
I'm wondering what the subscription costs for it would be like to pay for the cost of reworking the engine to work with C/S and to maintain the global network necessary for it.
I do hope those who want this have deep pockets. Its not going to be cheap. Might want to speak to FD about the development and operational costs for this and how you are going to fund it. Hmm... perhaps FD could start selling ships for real money to fund it.
What i don't want is FD wasting their own money on this and diverting resources that to my mind would be better spent on a whole range of other features. Its not just networking devs, it would be devops people, management, QA.
Robert Maynard
Volunteer Moderator
It might be the future for new games - however quite a few games that have previously required a subscription now don't require one, e.g. EvE Online.
Which games were released with no subscription then subsequently added one?
.... and how successful are those games now?
I sincerely hope not. I've avoided pay to play games for decades without feeling particularly left out and i won't sign up for PSN on the Playstation either. I have nothing against paying for expansions, DLCs, cosmetics, but i draw the line at "renting" a game.
Robert Maynard
Volunteer Moderator
A tiny minority they may be but they represent "bad PR" for PvP in general. They also seem to be at least tolerated by sections of the PvP community.