Colonia is not just a system, not even a region, Colonia is an ideal, a dream, a place where humanity can be free, free from the superpowers, free from emperors, presidents or corporate tyranny. A place for all to live as equals not as the serfs of a few, this is our dream and this dream is under threat. For the last eight months The Nameless have been under constant attack from the forces of Civitas Dei and their lackeys, this attack was unprovoked and to this day, despite repeated requests, no reason has been given, no dialogue attempted not even a set of demands issued, for eight months we have fought against overwhelming numbers to defend the dream of a free Colonia, but now we appeal for aid, to any commander who would see Colonia be something more than another bubble where petty tyrants build their oppressive empires we urge you to come to Carcosa, tell the megalomaniacs we face that freedom matters, that one part of humanity will never submit to tyranny and fight for the Nameless.
Defend the dream of Colonia
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Yep, more or less...
Oddly, their PR is already much closer to typical bubble SuperPower/Powers PR snippets than they realize, contradicting their entire narrative.
"We want YOU to fight our dirty invasive Wars and defend our invasion beachheads to spread Lawless Anarchy all over Colonia!"
I love the PR method, though.
Pretend to be cool & lawful and try to make lawful citizens of the Galaxy create a refuge for the Criminals. Make them act against their very best self-interest under a false flag.
It's hideous - but a darn good method of fielding expendable worker bees
Oddly, their PR is already much closer to typical bubble SuperPower/Powers PR snippets than they realize, contradicting their entire narrative.
"We want YOU to fight our dirty invasive Wars and defend our invasion beachheads to spread Lawless Anarchy all over Colonia!"
I love the PR method, though.
Pretend to be cool & lawful and try to make lawful citizens of the Galaxy create a refuge for the Criminals. Make them act against their very best self-interest under a false flag.
It's hideous - but a darn good method of fielding expendable worker bees
Lekano simply lies, Colonia has never had more than three anarchy systems, now it has one which is still under an unprovoked attack, that one system offers ships that will be lost to the nebula should The Nameless be removed from control leaving the region a poorer place. Colonia has never had any problem with gankers until Lekano and his allies showed up. Perhaps rather than spouting unthruths he could explain the reason for the sustained attack he and his allies have launched as nobody from his side (despite repeated requests) ha ever attempted to do so
We actually had - at most - two systems under The Nameless control, EEF being the second next to Carcosa.
EEF of course being a field test to see what happens if we expand our Anarchy faction to another shipyard - which by the way gave Colonia access to the Imperial Eagle, until your friends "liberated" it from The Nameless.
EEF was a PMF home system by the way, but one which was defunct and not supported until Loren's Reapers started to support The Nameless.
We even had a treaty with your friends, and we weren't the ones who broke the treaty.
And regards the ganking… your brave Lawfuls ganked more innocent
And the next you will
We wage no invasive wars, The Nameless have their home system in Carcosa, we just put them into power.Yep, more or less...
Oddly, their PR is already much closer to typical bubble SuperPower/Powers PR snippets than they realize, contradicting their entire narrative.
"We want YOU to fight our dirty invasive Wars and defend our invasion beachheads to spread Lawless Anarchy all over Colonia!"
I love the PR method, though.
Pretend to be cool & lawful and try to make lawful citizens of the Galaxy create a refuge for the Criminals. Make them act against their very best self-interest under a false flag.
It's hideous - but a darn good method of fielding expendable worker bees
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To show some cards which are already played anyways. Kancro and i are friends since the start of DW2 and we worked together for the whole event.
I was informed from him personally about colonia and the "truth" about the region and i will take his words. period.
our mission is to protect those who cannot defend themselves and to hunt down those who would obliterate them.
this is a small part from our official charta and exactly what we did in this campaign.
i guess its obvious now, in view of the fact that Kancro is able to show presence in this campaign, how the "who" is related here.
and we are not finished...
I was informed from him personally about colonia and the "truth" about the region and i will take his words. period.
our mission is to protect those who cannot defend themselves and to hunt down those who would obliterate them.
this is a small part from our official charta and exactly what we did in this campaign.
i guess its obvious now, in view of the fact that Kancro is able to show presence in this campaign, how the "who" is related here.
and we are not finished...
It's been obvious for a while that Kancro broke both his word and the treaty he signed, which incidently The Nameless have kept to the letter. You still haven't given any reason for your attack but you have just admitted before the whole galaxy that you and Kancro are faithless oath breakers who's word cannot be trusted.
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For people that dedicate so much time, energy and resources to supposedly hunting gankers for literally years; it's spectacular how little you understand what gankers do, how they operate and under what conditions.
You may not have noticed but - there really aren't any high footfall ganker hotspots that are anarchy*. There aren't any serious, general campaigns by gankers to make ganker hotspots anarchy. Gankers don't stop ganking somewhere if it isn't anarchy. When somewhere happens to be anarchy that is a ganker hotspot, it isn't the coincidence of it being anarchy that has any bearing on how appealing it is as a ganker hotspot.
But keep on spouting your absurd propaganda to people that don't know any better. Anybody that is slightly clued in sees it for the thinly veiled recruitment ploy that it is. If you want to ball people up in ignorance to bring them into your ranks and do your grunt work for you, that's your prerogative. They all leave when they figure out what a husk of an organisation you're really running anyway. Business as usual.
*Temporary un-populated mining extraction systems can't really be considered as, lacking a population, they have no government at all rather than an anarchy government.
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1. It's LeKeno, not LeKano.
2. The talking point about the alliance ships = grasping at straws. If they actually disappear, if it matters, if there are no alternatives, there is always an option. It's not like Nameless will ever be totally booted from their native system.
3. "Colonia has never had any problem with gankers", lol... First of all that's not true, and second your most vocal pilot went on ganking innocents first in Deciat and then back in Colonia. Blaming others for these acts is grand. Again, that selfish definition of freedom showing up.
4. On why: plenty of reasons but more importantly why not? Just like you have your reasons to believe in what you do or simply participate in something, we have ours. It doesn't matter what they are ultimately. It's not like we are going to convince you otherwise (some of your folks have apparently even decided what my reasons are, so whatever fancy your boat).
2. The talking point about the alliance ships = grasping at straws. If they actually disappear, if it matters, if there are no alternatives, there is always an option. It's not like Nameless will ever be totally booted from their native system.
3. "Colonia has never had any problem with gankers", lol... First of all that's not true, and second your most vocal pilot went on ganking innocents first in Deciat and then back in Colonia. Blaming others for these acts is grand. Again, that selfish definition of freedom showing up.
4. On why: plenty of reasons but more importantly why not? Just like you have your reasons to believe in what you do or simply participate in something, we have ours. It doesn't matter what they are ultimately. It's not like we are going to convince you otherwise (some of your folks have apparently even decided what my reasons are, so whatever fancy your boat).
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Whatever dude.
At least I don't go crash organized events and make videos of it, while pontificating about PvP etiquette.
I won't even bother with you anymore.
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PvPers PvPed with other PvPers? Quick, find me some pearls to clutch ...
The greater good is not served by an extended campaign against the nameless. Not just the ships, which supporters of the Nameless have worked to make available for all Colonians, as well as other facilities and services, but the loss of colour and character of the region, as well as a populated anarchy system (a gameplay resource), would be a great loss.
As I recently said to someone else, it's at times like this when it is the good people of the galaxy who must stand and make sure that things are not taken too far. Even if that means defending some aspect of the darkness.
A civilisation may be judged on how it treats its criminals. Without darkness there can be no light, without suffering, no joy.
As I recently said to someone else, it's at times like this when it is the good people of the galaxy who must stand and make sure that things are not taken too far. Even if that means defending some aspect of the darkness.
A civilisation may be judged on how it treats its criminals. Without darkness there can be no light, without suffering, no joy.
1. Gutted
2. The point is that you and your friends claim to be making Colonia a better place when in fact the only tangible result of your actions will be to take something away from it.
3. Yes it is true, and yes he did, which we disproved of and several of our members condemned on these forums, you on the other hand lose any right to the moral high ground due to ganking any number of entirely innocent, law abiding commanders in Colonia, including one who has dfone more to make the region a better place than any of us.
4. So after eight months of unprovoked hostility the best reason you can come up with is because you can? That's fine, we will all draw our own conclusions but don't try to dress up your naked aggression and self interest as any kind of noble cause, the hypocrisy is nauseating.
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God forbid people should be enjoying these aspects the gameAll these artificial (because totally superfluous and optional) conflicts and dramas are priceless (in avoidance of the word "childish).
He guys... psssst... this isn't EVE here...
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It's all good, don't worry, move on...
Just a hint to everyone involved: don't take yourself too seriously.
There are rumours that people have already collapsed under their own gravity...
I had a point last week where I took this whole shenanigans way to personal and wasn't far from quitting for a while (I like the game too much and am not enough drama queen to say I'd quit forever).
But then I slept a night over it and reminded myself of my own stance on this.
It's just a game. It's fun, and even the whole Forum PvP for me is part of the fun.
We will propably lose Carcosa sooner or later, but that loss is easily covered by fleet carriers.
Alliance and Fed ships in the Nebula? Screw it, I already got mine.
(LeKeno you KNOW they will vanish, we did the test in EEF)
Engineer upgrades? I have more than enough G5 mods, so who cares.
I continue to play as I have fun, If that means going other ways so be it...
Maybe even SPEAR will manage what Phisto didn't, make a full murderhobo out of me. Would be somehow fitting
Rest assured, I will continue to fight against the oppression of Colonia.
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i'm divided between going there to help and eventually go under with the nameless or just sit back and watch how a group of self-appointed knights destroys one of the few interesting places left in the galaxy that it apparently doesn't deserve. it's going to happen sooner or later. if frontier wanted to create an allegory of humanity it seems they nailed that part. bigots don't rule by coincidence.
what's really holding me back is that i don't really feel like playing that much ... games of attrition.
couldn't we have just one large space battle, die gloriously and then have the good kids enjoy the sandbox all to themselves with anything to trample left?
Okay,
Let's summarise all of this.
But Colonia is free from Superpowers and powers if didn't you noticed yet. So where is the point. So simply you already answered to yourself when you mentioned "free from emperors, presidents or corporate tyranny. " It means to Retreat as many factions from all systems as possible and put the Anarchy ( The Nameless) in as controlling faction, well that's something all other PMF groups won't agree with and you know it i am sure.
Well, this is lie that CD has never tried to have dialogue with your guys in good manner, look at the CEI pictures attached below. When you see this, does it require an answer?
We have got more spicy texts from you so there is one question.: You Jellicoe don't really know what your " friends" do or you're liar.
Ok let's discuss about Fed and Alliance ships. I was thinking why do you repeatedly mention them. In current days nobody cares, explorers won't use them, because there far better ships for exploring. Combat pilots already have them or use better ships. And in case they don't have them, you have dozens or maybe hundreds Fleet Carriers in Colonia which may take you to Bubble where you can buy as many those ships you want and bring them back - to be honest you are already one of the FC owners so.....
Anyway what did people do when those ships were not available in Colonia? Nothing, they lived/played/ enjoyed game without them too.... You can stockpile them if you don't have any yet.
And finally, i am suprised that someone like you Jellicoe is calling for peace, freedom and independent, but when i see this:
I have to laugh...
Cheers for everyone, and enjoy summer as much as you can
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Let's summarise all of this.
But Colonia is free from Superpowers and powers if didn't you noticed yet. So where is the point. So simply you already answered to yourself when you mentioned "free from emperors, presidents or corporate tyranny. " It means to Retreat as many factions from all systems as possible and put the Anarchy ( The Nameless) in as controlling faction, well that's something all other PMF groups won't agree with and you know it i am sure.
Well, this is lie that CD has never tried to have dialogue with your guys in good manner, look at the CEI pictures attached below. When you see this, does it require an answer?
We have got more spicy texts from you so there is one question.: You Jellicoe don't really know what your " friends" do or you're liar.
Nobody is building oppressive empire, i can assure you. You only made angry enough PMFs which finally decided to bring your legs back where came to. I have heard about your " agreement" you made with EN. Good try to stabilise your lawless tyranny in certain systems, but no - this is something we won't tolerate. You know taking an advantage of EN's lower activity when they were in DW2 and overthrown them because you just wanted to..... No no here is no way.
Ok let's discuss about Fed and Alliance ships. I was thinking why do you repeatedly mention them. In current days nobody cares, explorers won't use them, because there far better ships for exploring. Combat pilots already have them or use better ships. And in case they don't have them, you have dozens or maybe hundreds Fleet Carriers in Colonia which may take you to Bubble where you can buy as many those ships you want and bring them back - to be honest you are already one of the FC owners so.....
Anyway what did people do when those ships were not available in Colonia? Nothing, they lived/played/ enjoyed game without them too.... You can stockpile them if you don't have any yet
.And finally, i am suprised that someone like you Jellicoe is calling for peace, freedom and independent, but when i see this:
I have to laugh...
Cheers for everyone, and enjoy summer as much as you can
O7
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I've tried telling them multiple times. If you shut down other avenues of gameplay and make them too toxic, the only thing left to do is gank. The premise is really simple and applies in the real world too. If you have problems of petty theft and crime amongst youths you're better off making community centres and free community activities to engage with, rather than criminalising all of them. Same in Elite - give people things to do, constructive activities, making the organic PvP sphere healthy and engaging and people will want to do it. Make it toxic - people will just go and gank.Maybe even SPEAR will manage what Phisto didn't, make a full murderhobo out of me. Would be somehow fitting
SPEAR like the law and order mentality. Appoint yourself as the enforcer and stamp it under the boot. Make your activity so toxic that people will go and gank to demonstrate the impotence of it all and because the gameplay is more interesting and engaging than what SPEAR perpetuate wherever they're present. Then pretend you're above or external to the community and have no responsibility or part in constructing the conditions which create the environment they pretend to be fixing.
It's a self-perpetuating machine at this point. Their concern isn't fixing problems but propagating them because that's:
1. The sole basis of the activity they engage in. If they make things better, they're left with nothing to do.
2. The grounds for their recruitment. If they make things better, the demographic they manipulate to recruit from (the salty gank victim) shrinks.
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