I can't believe I survived this :)

Zoltor

Zoltor
I'm here exploring, and I decide to go closer to the core, I figure more density of stars, will increase my chances of being the first to have discovered a system, and goodies within(no luck there yet sigh). Evidently I not only left the bubble without realizing it, but I was quite aways from it. I Was in a bad enough spot, I stopped getting the planetary data to save on fuel.

Luckily every jump I made kept giving me scoopable stars, but I sucked at scooping. Needless to say I became very efficient with the fuel scoop lol, and 5h later made it to some small outpost, even made a bunch of credits+gained a exploration rank :) Now if I can just find a station with a Shipyard, that has the Diamondback explorer I think it was.

Edit: No it was the Asp Explorer I was looking to buy.
 
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Chrystoph

Chrystoph
OK, in order...

You need to get at least 2,000 LY away from the bubble on average to find unexplored space, and the odds go up when you aren't pointed at something like Sagittarius A* where you are flying a "trade lane".

Scooping - get the HUD to display the horizontal line and keep the nose up enough that the horizontal stays above the star's orbit line.

Repairs - Don't forget that the Fleet Carriers often have repairs, not a solve all, but certainly a possibility.
 

Zoltor

Zoltor
Chrystoph said:
OK, in order...

You need to get at least 2,000 LY away from the bubble on average to find unexplored space, and the odds go up when you aren't pointed at something like Sagittarius A* where you are flying a "trade lane".

Scooping - get the HUD to display the horizontal line and keep the nose up enough that the horizontal stays above the star's orbit line.

Repairs - Don't forget that the Fleet Carriers often have repairs, not a solve all, but certainly a possibility.
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I was about 1,000 LY out(in a cobra MK III lol, although it was pretty pimped out, but didn't engineer it), but yea I figured as much, I exited the bubble at the north east edge, and went north. I'll go straight east into the next quadrant or 2, then head closer to the core from there next time.

I found a easy way, I use the timer as a indicator, and that worked very well, and yea I stay above the orbit line

My ship didn't actually take much damage at all during the trip, but if Carriers were a reliable option, I would have never ran into fuel issues to beginwith.
 

TiberiusDuval

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Near bubble it takes same ingenuity to find unexlored systems. Especially interesting ones. And well some 1000's of ly's is not particularly long way. For example I feel that I'm nearly home when display says "Orion...."
 

Zoltor

Zoltor
Mrat13 said:
Adders, Cobras......

Why does no one ever use a Hauler as their first explorer? It's the best jump range for the price, and also has the cheapest rebuy cost.
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Probally because it sucks, and Cobra could be outfitted to go faster+further anyway. What good is it to have decent jump range, if you don't have enough fuel to really benefit off such.

Those class 4 slots are a huge upgrade, not to menton the super crappy power plant/distributor slots, and only class 1 sensors lol. There's seriously nothing that makes the hauler good. Frankly the 50k or so is way too much money for the junker that is the Hauler.
 

MattG

MattG
Zoltor said:
Probally because it sucks, and Cobra could be outfitted to go faster+further anyway. What good is it to have decent jump range, if you don't have enough fuel to really benefit off such.

Those class 4 slots are a huge upgrade, not to menton the super crappy power plant/distributor slots, and only class 1 sensors lol. There's seriously nothing that makes the hauler good. Frankly the 50k or so is way too much money for the junker that is the Hauler.
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My hauler disagrees :)

It'll do 4 jumps before it even needs to think about refueling - but it fuels as it goes just fine (and does that quicker than the Cobra can manage). Pretty sure Cobra can't match that jump range either. Even un-engineered it is a decent ship. Best bang for your buck.

The particular niche I use this ship for is to fetch other ships - if I were to transfer one of my ships from Colonia to my FC, I'm looking in excess of 100 million for some of them. If I fly there in the hauler, I can explore on the way but make a decent pace, pick up the other ship and fly it back, then transfer the hauler back to my FC for mere pennies. And it's fun to fly too :)


Is it perfect? Of course not - 2D power means it runs a bit warmer than I'd prefer, but 2A isn't worth the jump range hit. Besides, it doesn't run as hot as the Beluga. If you throw an SRV on there, it's another hit to jump range too (but still decent!). But it is a great exploration ship, don't let it's size fool you.
 

Zoltor

Zoltor
MattG said:
My hauler disagrees :)

It'll do 4 jumps before it even needs to think about refueling - but it fuels as it goes just fine (and does that quicker than the Cobra can manage). Pretty sure Cobra can't match that jump range either. Even un-engineered it is a decent ship. Best bang for your buck.

The particular niche I use this ship for is to fetch other ships - if I were to transfer one of my ships from Colonia to my FC, I'm looking in excess of 100 million for some of them. If I fly there in the hauler, I can explore on the way but make a decent pace, pick up the other ship and fly it back, then transfer the hauler back to my FC for mere pennies. And it's fun to fly too :)


Is it perfect? Of course not - 2D power means it runs a bit warmer than I'd prefer, but 2A isn't worth the jump range hit. Besides, it doesn't run as hot as the Beluga. If you throw an SRV on there, it's another hit to jump range too (but still decent!). But it is a great exploration ship, don't let it's size fool you.
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I like my 20-30 or so jumps of upto 10.5 ly each, much better. I could cover more then the entire length of the bubble without refueling/scooping at all at this point.
 

MattG

MattG
Zoltor said:
I like my 20-30 or so jumps of upto 10.5 ly each, much better. I could cover more then the entire length of the bubble without refueling/scooping at all at this point.
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Well if we're only jumping 10.5 LY. Hmm. My hauler uses 0.031061 fuel for a jump of 10.538 LY meaning my 4t of fuel will do me for 128 similar jumps before refuelling. Oh, and once empty it'll take 22.7 secs to refill. The cobra would take 46.8 secs to refuel from empty after it's 20-30 jumps, assuming you're using best scoop available to it.

Still faster to scoop as you go though. Don't need to stop to refuel (not unless you're in a DBX anyway :D ).
 
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Zieman

Zieman
Zoltor said:
Fuel matters, I'm not going to have to spend 10m at a star scooping, every single time I jump to a new system,
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Why would you? Any halfway decent explorer build has good fuel scoops. And no need to top the tank up every single time. :)
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and sensors as well as speed matters too
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Maybe in a bubble tourist ship. But not in the deep black, not the slightest. Unless you're planning to do canyon racing. :)

I'm not telling to ditch your Cobra for a Hauler, the points I made are here just to remind that the Hauler can be a decent exploration vessel. A good starter one at that.

In the end, everyone flies what they like and what suits them. :)
 

Zoltor

Zoltor
Zieman said:
Why would you? Any halfway decent explorer build has good fuel scoops. And no need to top the tank up every single time. :)

Maybe in a bubble tourist ship. But not in the deep black, not the slightest. Unless you're planning to do canyon racing. :)

I'm not telling to ditch your Cobra for a Hauler, the points I made are here just to remind that the Hauler can be a decent exploration vessel. A good starter one at that.

In the end, everyone flies what they like and what suits them. :)
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Could you live without a beefy fuel tank, sure but why would you choose such. Like I said, I rather not have to stop at a star every jump, before traveling to the planets to fully scan them(another reason you want good engines, yikes some of them are like 477,000 ls from the jump in point)

As for sensors, the farther away you can get your discovery , the better.
 

TiberiusDuval

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Zoltor said:
Could you live without a beefy fuel tank, sure but why would you choose such. Like I said, I rather not have to stop at a star every jump, before traveling to the planets to fully scan them(another reason you want good engines, yikes some of them are like 477,000 ls from the jump in point)

As for sensors, the farther away you can get your discovery , the better.
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Big fuel tank can cut quite much off your jump range. About only thing it is good for is when you start going to real deep space. In the galaxy there are regions where most stars are unscoopable. And those areas make you really concentrate on your fuel gauge. Of course nowadays nav comp rarely produces impossible route (it will make route possible to fly and considers fuel consumption and availibility.), but mishaps can happen. Otherwise fuel rats would be out of business :D

And about engines: All engines are the same when it comes to supercruise performance. No matter how cheap, or how much engineered.
 
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marx

marx
Mrat13 said:
Adders, Cobras......

Why does no one ever use a Hauler as their first explorer?
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Because it's named Hauler, and not Explorer :D
Jokes aside, people will use anything for exploration. Pick literally any ship, and you will find someone who's currently exploring in it. Maybe it's not their first exploration ship, but hey.

Me, I started exploring in a Cobra, because as a KS backer, I had the "Explorer" starting character option which started you in one. With an Intermediate D-Scanner, too! Pay-to-win!
 

iain666

iain666
Zoltor said:
Could you live without a beefy fuel tank, sure but why would you choose such.
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The route plotter always plots as if you have a full tank which means when you want to cover a large distance just to get to somewhere else rather than stopping to poke around every system it will take you many more jumps if you've got a bigger tank.
 

Zoltor

Zoltor
iain666 said:
The route plotter always plots as if you have a full tank which means when you want to cover a large distance just to get to somewhere else rather than stopping to poke around every system it will take you many more jumps if you've got a bigger tank.
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That's the thing though, why would that bother me, I'm not trying to get to colonia or something "as fast as possible", the object is to get as many discoveries I can, take a slightly different route back, do the same, and then cash in for like 100s of millions of credits :)
 
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