1st Trip to SagA* - Some Thoughts

Just to lay some cards out as a preamble - I'm old enough to remember playing Elite on the BBC Model B and the ZX Spectrum, I tried the PC version on a laptop and got p'ed off with the number of keys so I bit the bullet and bought ED again for my PS4, and I mostly stay in Solo game mode and play for an hour or two most days. And this is my first post here!

Having wandered about the bubble for a bit, I bought an Asp to go exploring. Visited Barnards Loop and related areas, found the megaship named after Carrie Fisher, took a brief trip to the near bits of the Outer Orion Spur and the Sanguineous Rim, found an Engineer and tweaked my drive. It was fine, but I'd run out of spaces to fit a planetary scanner once I'd bought a Scarab for some surface exploration. So, I made what might be thought of as a weird choice. I bought a Krait Phantom. The tweaked 5A drive transferred, as did the 5A fuel scoop (which I then upgraded to 6A) and I didn't bother with the mirrored armour I'd fitted to the Asp (I read somewhere that the Krait handled heat better than the Asp. They seem to be right BTW). I left the mining laser and some weapons still fitted which left me with a theoretical max jump of just over 41LY, in practice around 38.5LY. I decided that was good enough and headed off towards SagA*.

I had no concept HOW FAR it was! I quickly got my Honk, Scoop and Jump down to 50 seconds but doing that for an hour at a time is knackering. If anyone was to ask about long distance exploration, I'd offer the following:

Most importantly, it's going to take a while to get anywhere interesting. 700ish jumps is the best part of 12 hours continuous jumping, so accept you're not doing it one day and break it up into manageable chunks.
Pause every 20 or 30 jumps and actually scan the system properly. Map some rings and mine some low temperature diamonds. Land, take some pics. Do anything to break up the pattern a bit.
Don't get too blase about your process for each system, because you WILL crash into the unexpected black hole when you're tired!
Lighten your ship as much as you can. The difference between 35 and even 38LY is massive when you're traveling 26,000LY. From Sol to SagA* it's an extra 50 odd jumps. That's a whole hour!
Make use of a site like EDDB.io to help with your journey. If you let it look for Fleet Carriers as well as stations, and you're not fixated on taking the fastest route, you can stop and hand in your Cartographic data every 100LY or so. And repair your ship (from the accidental close encounter with a black hole).
Fleet Carriers are usually there for a reason, so stop and have a look. There's often an interesting nebula or black hole.
Occasionally, take yourself either up or down out of the plane of the galaxy. After reaching SagA*, I headed straight down as far as I could. Being able to see the whole of the main swirl of the galaxy is really pretty cool.

I'm now heading for Colonia, but from far below the plane, so still visiting and scanning lots of unvisited systems on the way. 325 jumps (about 270 to go....)
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An Explorer Spook is certainly not a "weird choice" in my book. Trust mine implicitly for wandering off in a random direction! I can fit everything I need, has 60+ legs, runs cool enough, fuels quick and has a decent view out the front. With all those ly under your belt, I hope you've grown to like it... (y)
 
An Explorer Spook is certainly not a "weird choice" in my book. Trust mine implicitly for wandering off in a random direction! I can fit everything I need, has 60+ legs, runs cool enough, fuels quick and has a decent view out the front. With all those ly under your belt, I hope you've grown to like it... (y)
Love it. I'd like a longer range, but that means going back to the Engineer with the right wake scans which is extremely dull, so I might just stick with her as she is. Colonia is next stop, but only so I can lighten some modules to get a little more range. Then, out to the rim I think. But not Beagles Point, that seems done so maybe further anticlockwise. I've had the view from underneath, now I'd like a view of the galaxy on it's edge.
 
No matter how much I plan on getting somewhere quickly, say Colonia, I have never managed to do it in under a few weeks because there's always something interesting to do on the way, and then another and another. I eventually get there. Arguably my trip to Beagle Point took around 3 years from when I first started planning ;)
 
Aaah, the memories of my first (and failed) Sag run...

Welcome CMDR!

Today long range "exploration" is far easier than "in my 'ol days":
  • Fleet Carrier carry (I admit, used it once on my Colonia-Bubble return, highly convenience)
  • OP-A-Conda, stripped down on everything, engineered to the last bolt with Guardian stuff (70 LY) + neutron highway
  • any other exploreer ship, semi engineered and Guardian stuff

I'm proud I did my first successful Sag run in an ~33 LY Asp, pre-Guardian era. It was a feat, boring as a void, that endless jump, honk, scoop and dull flight to WW to scan it. Ugh <shudder>. Then I made Colonia run in 50 LY Clipper and cheated my way back as it was too much to endure all those jumps back. Then I had my 3rd exploration journey: Bubble - Colonia - Sag - ~5k beyond - Colonia and Bubble via FC. All in 48 LY Cutter. It was my 3rd attempted Beagle run, failed again since I can't stand these jumps.

Going as fast as possible is extremely boring, taking stops to scan things takes way too much time. My last journey took me about a month total and if I pressed for Beage I would probably be still in the dark.

You're absolutely right - the distance is unbelieveable and you only start to grasp it when actually trying to do it.
 
Then, out to the rim I think. But not Beagles Point, that seems done so maybe further anticlockwise. I've had the view from underneath, now I'd like a view of the galaxy on it's edge.
Good luck - when you get to the other side do send us more images. Those above are superb.
It has its faults, but I love Elite for exploration.
For me its portrayal of scale, time and distance is peerless. You can engineer your ship for range till it squeaks. Then, pleased and proud you take it out. The galaxy glances in your direction, says "hold my beer" and shows you once again who is the boss...
 
When 1 Kylie was all you could plot in 1 go, it broke these long journeys into small bite sized chunks so you had chance to look around at your route and smell the roses.

Because of all the QoL improvements, the experience has become worse IMHO.
 
This raises some good points I've been thinking of posting as well. Namely, in the "smart planning" realm of things.

A. It's best not to aimlessly explore. You're time is short. And the Galaxy is large. You get more quality out of having an itinerary. Star your journey by exploring the star map, first. This can be hours in of itself. I've found smaller unexplored nebula like this and places like where I have my carrier parked now...in a small neutron emmision nebula.

B. Knowing that you have a destination, due, to the above, I'd refrain from exploring every system along a 750 jump route. Namely because (it happened to me), you are "explored out" or may forget what your object was. FSS and DSS any notable systems along the way. Which means, yes, always pop into FSS, I'm all systems, to probe for Ammoniated, Water or ElWs, prior to jumping to the next system.

It's tempting, but I refrain from boosting. Save that FSD integrity for accidents. Don't boost down to 85% integrity and chance running into a star or taking on heat damage.

Scan rings, too in interesting systems. Notable phenomena can occur there too.

Explore mining is nice if you have a large ship and or carrier. Only choose interesting and scenic places for this, for the best immersion.
 
I think 1 Kylie would be a bit limiting so I always set for fastest, but I'm not sure I could cope with the pressure of a 20 Kylie route. I never plan more than about 5 or 6 at any point. And even then i get distracted and divert off my original route.
 
This raises some good points I've been thinking of posting as well. Namely, in the "smart planning" realm of things.

A. It's best not to aimlessly explore. You're time is short. And the Galaxy is large. You get more quality out of having an itinerary. Star your journey by exploring the star map, first. This can be hours in of itself. I've found smaller unexplored nebula like this and places like where I have my carrier parked now...in a small neutron emmision nebula.

B. Knowing that you have a destination, due, to the above, I'd refrain from exploring every system along a 750 jump route. Namely because (it happened to me), you are "explored out" or may forget what your object was. FSS and DSS any notable systems along the way. Which means, yes, always pop into FSS, I'm all systems, to probe for Ammoniated, Water or ElWs, prior to jumping to the next system.

It's tempting, but I refrain from boosting. Save that FSD integrity for accidents. Don't boost down to 85% integrity and chance running into a star or taking on heat damage.

Scan rings, too in interesting systems. Notable phenomena can occur there too.

Explore mining is nice if you have a large ship and or carrier. Only choose interesting and scenic places for this, for the best immersion.
A. Yes & no. I know what you mean, but I often get distracted and re-route. I figure it's all exploration provided nobody's been there first.
B. Absolutely agree. In theory, I've got it down to 50 seconds per system for a honk, scoop and jump so over 60 jumps an hour. In practice, more than 20 jumps and it starts getting hypnotic. I genuinely crashed out of FS because I didn't really look at what I was about to scoop and it was a black hole! I also don't boost. I set the route so it only visits scoopable or interesting stars (white dwarfs, neutron stars etc) which removes any stress for fuel. Apart from one stretch earlier with literally 7 or 8 systems in a row which were either WD or neutrons. Weird.
 
Thanks for the welcome and all the replies. I haven't spent time on a forum for a while - it's nice to feel welcomed.

As predicted, I've got distracted again. I'd chased a couple of Fleet Carriers so I could hand in data and repair, but they weren't there anymore - privately owned rather than system ones. I found all those stars in my field of view a bit claustrophobic so, after the clarity of the view under the galactic plane, I thought I'd head up above for another view. I'm just over into Odin's Hold now before heading vertical. I've got about 30 jumps left but it's already thinning out nicely. I'll post some pics when I get there.
 
Thanks for the welcome and all the replies. I haven't spent time on a forum for a while - it's nice to feel welcomed.

As predicted, I've got distracted again. I'd chased a couple of Fleet Carriers so I could hand in data and repair, but they weren't there anymore - privately owned rather than system ones. I found all those stars in my field of view a bit claustrophobic so, after the clarity of the view under the galactic plane, I thought I'd head up above for another view. I'm just over into Odin's Hold now before heading vertical. I've got about 30 jumps left but it's already thinning out nicely. I'll post some pics when I get there.

Odin's Hold is gorgeous. I have my carrier there now. I arrived there from Colonia and will be jumping the rest of the way to a nearby nebula when I get back from work. You can stop for a repair when I get there. I plan to be in Odin's for some time. I have cartographic/ repair services and can turn off the 17% tariff thing.
 
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Wait 'til you decide to go to Beagle Point, and realise that Colonia is actually only a third of the way, rather than half.

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Gratuitous pic' of my T10 floating around near Beagle Point.

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Nice pic. The route I'm taking, I think Beagle's Point might feel fairly straightforward. Having dropped as far down the z axis as I could from SagA*, I got bored again on the initial route and am now as far up the z axis as I can find a star above Odin's Hold. And unlike below the middle, I've only come across one explored system up here, but I now have an 8 Kylie trip to Colonia (plus detours!)
 
Nice! Looks great up there! I was down lower below Odin's Hold, not too long ago. In an unexplored nebula.
I'll post coords once I'm home. I'm in a neutron nebula system.
 
Nice pic. The route I'm taking, I think Beagle's Point might feel fairly straightforward. Having dropped as far down the z axis as I could from SagA*, I got bored again on the initial route and am now as far up the z axis as I can find a star above Odin's Hold. And unlike below the middle, I've only come across one explored system up here, but I now have an 8 Kylie trip to Colonia (plus detours!)

Zunoae UU-P E5-1032 is the system I'm stationed.
 
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