High grade emissions

rebeluk

rebeluk
What is it with the almost total extinction of High Grade Emissions ? I have spent 5 hours today going round various systems that are supposed to support High Grade Emissions for several types of High Grade Materials:

The Systems I've tried all day today and yesterday are:-

For Pharmaceutical Isolators - NGATHA in OUTBREAK
For Improvised Components - DECIAT, PAROJA, HIP 79419, LEPCHAZI all Independent All CIVIL UNREST
For Military Grade Alloys - SEKHEREKE, HIP 33390 both WAR and in HIP 33390 I got one HGE giving me PROTO HEAT RADIATORS

and a few others I can't remember names of....

So what's going on with HGE's then ?

RebelUK
 

Ydiss

Ydiss
I've found HGE never (or just rarely it seems) spawn in outbreak now. I've certainly never seen one.

Military I think I saw a couple times but they're much harder to find than the usual suspects.

The other one I've never needed so can't comment.

I'll be honest, mate. Just give up, get a surplus of any g5 you can and trade across. It'll save you hours. That's what I did after suffering through what you have (imperial shielding, core dynamics and proto, along with exquisite from missions).
 
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Go'Gen

Go'Gen
I use mat-collector Corvette.
Go to Haz with Elite copilot (I use system with mat trader), opet hatch, drop collector limpets and kill pirates. After 5 hours you'd have so many lvl 2-3-4 mats you could easily trade up and have enough even G5s.
 

Northpin

Northpin
I managed to fill up on Improvised Components in Colonia...
In the Bubble should not be harder :D

Avoid systems that have Fed Factions
Go for Independent/Alliance or Imperial

Check Inara, Systems and Stations, Nearest, Minor Factions, Ourbreak (or whatever state you need)
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Check the systems and pick the ones were the faction is only in Outbreak (not in multiple states) and preferably higher population systems. The percentage INF is not that important.
Find several such systems - 3-6 and roam between them.

If you do it in an Imperial system, you'll be guaranteed to pick some Imperial shielding... Pick them as well and trade them for what you need...
 

Ydiss

Ydiss
Northpin said:
I managed to fill up on Improvised Components in Colonia...
In the Bubble should not be harder :D

Avoid systems that have Fed Factions
Go for Independent/Alliance or Imperial

Check Inara, Systems and Stations, Nearest, Minor Factions, Ourbreak (or whatever state you need)
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Check the systems and pick the ones were the faction is only in Outbreak (not in multiple states) and preferably higher population systems. The percentage INF is not that important.
Find several such systems - 3-6 and roam between them.

If you do it in an Imperial system, you'll be guaranteed to pick some Imperial shielding... Pick them as well and trade them for what you need...
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The theory is relatively straightforward to follow and apply, the results (talking only about PIs here) are not.

I followed the exact process and, whereas years ago I always found PIs really simply, not a single one of the 10-15 systems I checked recently had a HGE. Even high billions population systems. Whereas, most other system types you'd search in, like boom, war etc, almost always have at least one HGE. Usually more.

Not saying they don't exist. Am saying it's way faster just using the trader. In my recent experience anyway.
 
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rebeluk

rebeluk
Go'Gen said:
I use mat-collector Corvette.
Go to Haz with Elite copilot (I use system with mat trader), opet hatch, drop collector limpets and kill pirates. After 5 hours you'd have so many lvl 2-3-4 mats you could easily trade up and have enough even G5s.
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Thing is I am already full with the lower grades, I just need to top up the grade 5's guess i'll go Imp shielding farming and just top the others up, but again it still is a bad return only 16 per 100, that;s 6 full runs for 100 of another grade 5, when if the damn things would drop where they're supposed to, i'd finish the farming in 6 full runs.

Just did a run in SEKHEREKE my god 4 HGE's popped at the nav beacon scan so ran to the nearest expecting Military Supercapacitors as is shown in Frontier website but no I get Proprietary Composites, Same 2nd HGE and third was Proto Heat Radiators, 4th finally was MilitarySupercapacitors but of course on 15 mins left lol.
 

rebeluk

rebeluk
Northpin said:
I managed to fill up on Improvised Components in Colonia...
In the Bubble should not be harder :D

Avoid systems that have Fed Factions
Go for Independent/Alliance or Imperial

Check Inara, Systems and Stations, Nearest, Minor Factions, Ourbreak (or whatever state you need)
View attachment 188958

Check the systems and pick the ones were the faction is only in Outbreak (not in multiple states) and preferably higher population systems. The percentage INF is not that important.
Find several such systems - 3-6 and roam between them.

If you do it in an Imperial system, you'll be guaranteed to pick some Imperial shielding... Pick them as well and trade them for what you need...
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Thanks CMDR I do that anyway :)
 

Ydiss

Ydiss
rebeluk said:
Thing is I am already full with the lower grades, I just need to top up the grade 5's guess i'll go Imp shielding farming and just top the others up, but again it still is a bad return only 16 per 100, that;s 6 full runs for 100 of another grade 5, when if the damn things would drop where they're supposed to, i'd finish the farming in 6 full runs.

Just did a run in SEKHEREKE my god 4 HGE's popped at the nav beacon scan so ran to the nearest expecting Military Supercapacitors as is shown in Frontier website but no I get Proprietary Composites, Same 2nd HGE and third was Proto Heat Radiators, 4th finally was MilitarySupercapacitors but of course on 15 mins left lol.
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Do you re-pop the same HGE after you're done with it or just use each one once?
 

Ydiss

Ydiss
rebeluk said:
Oh Yeah : :) :) I repop it, takes about 1min40secs for my system to log out log in select FSD and select the Unknown Source right next to me
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Yeh so you're optimal then. You should be fine just taking whatever you can and trading.

It's a bit naff though.

I've made it a rule that I'll always take the EFCs, Mefs or bio conductors as mission rewards if they're offered, until they're all maxed out (then I can leave it or trade across and do it again). That's usually plenty to trade about for most small engineer builds, so I don't need to spend too much time with gathering.
 

Drelthar

Drelthar
Games designed for you to just gather as you do stuff.

Might not be what you want, and would prefer to be able to focus on getting particular things, but that's not the design.
 

Ydiss

Ydiss
Drelthar said:
Games designed for you to just gather as you do stuff.

Might not be what you want, and would prefer to be able to focus on getting particular things, but that's not the design.
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It's one way to do it, yes. But it should be noted that, at least with PIs, there seems to be quite a dramatic drop in probability for HGEs to appear (by all means, I'd be happy if someone proved that my experience of this was just severe bad luck, went to an outbreak system and regularly saw HGEs and showed us all).

Aside from trading or killing Anacondas (still quite rare for them to drop PIs, I do tend to check automatically these days), you just don't accidentally "come across" PIs through every day play.

At some point, someone will want quite a few PIs. That someone will probably opt to research how to get them. They'll probably see the multiple guides about HGEs. They'll try that.

They'll maybe run into the same issue we're experiencing.

At some point, it stops being "you're doing it wrong". Because we're actually doing it the way the game is supposed to be designed to work.

HGE hunting is quite the lottery due to secondary BGS faction states but the apparent lack of any HGEs in all the outbreak systems I checked was a bit glaring.

Thankfully, we do have trading. So you're actually, sort of right. But in practice, if you use Edengineer then mats trading is so simple that there's no real need to "wait for mats to come to you naturally". If you want PIs, it's pretty simple to trade for them by specifically hunting anything else g5.
 

ubermick

ubermick
I spent about two days (not solid, obviously!) making the decision to farm mats. The thinking was "Get it out of the way, never have to worry about it again". I wasted hour after hour trying to find Pharmaceutical Isolators - I did stumble on them once, but there was something like 10 minutes left in the HSS, and I only ended up with 40 of them. Which I STUPIDLY traded down for, thinking I'd get them again.

Now, if I need to collect manufactured stuff, I just sell my Imperial shielding for whatever it is I need, and then go refill that. (Basically trip over the stuff in any high population Imp system)
 

GloatingSwine

GloatingSwine
Drelthar said:
Games designed for you to just gather as you do stuff.

Might not be what you want, and would prefer to be able to focus on getting particular things, but that's not the design.
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It kind of isn't though, because the top tier materials are predominantly in out of the way places you have to stop doing other things to go to.

The only other activities that you will accumulate materials as you do really are combat and mining, and they only provide lower tier materials (up to tier 3, occasionally 4 from large Elite rated ships) even from places like Haz Res sites.
 

Drelthar

Drelthar
GloatingSwine said:
It kind of isn't though, because the top tier materials are predominantly in out of the way places you have to stop doing other things to go to.

The only other activities that you will accumulate materials as you do really are combat and mining, and they only provide lower tier materials (up to tier 3, occasionally 4 from large Elite rated ships) even from places like Haz Res sites.
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What I mean is, when you spot a HGE, while travelling about, drop into it and grab the stuff.

The stuff on planet surfaces is dumb though yeah.
 

rrobes

R
FD has institutionalized trading mats, no getting around it.

Not the first or last time certain mats are rare, Cracked Industrial Firmware was annoyingly in short supply for the longest time, now it's not even a G5.

My engineering activity is next to nil, my handful of ships are long done, so no need. I will scoop up any G5 found during my wanderings and will trade around when one type is topped off.

It's liberating not to have to hunt this stuff down,.
 

Eraden

E
You should never EVER try to look for specific G5 mats. It is simply more efficient to look for HGEs in general and farm the living hell out of them and trade for whatever mats you might need. I have a circuit of about 5 systems that I hit. Scan the nav beacon, grab any HGE's present in the system and then move on to the next system to do the same. You might be surprised at how quickly you can amass a ton of G5 mats in a relatively short period of time by doing that.
 
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