Game Discussions Star Citizen Discussion Thread v12

Pretty sure it would be instantly rationalised by some fans as “being the plan all along” and “move along, nothing to see here” in addition to being “good for SC”.


For sure. The nagging doubt would be ratcheted up somewhat too in the background though...

I think 'it will get better after launch' is a more familiar trope, and a more obvious red flag for future noobs though. One of the things I dislike about SC currently is just how much it still sells itself to the unwary on 'looks pretty / only crap because it's alpha / so much more is planned' grounds. In TYOOL 2020. That narrative starts hitting a bit more of a wall once they're in beta. It's less of an 'anything can happen' open playspace for daydreaming.
 
A interesting post on reddit

It is certainly interesting but I think we all take our own interesting takes from it :)

Saw it. I reeks of fake though

It does doesnt it, but theres a couple bits that ring true. I think against all odds it may actually have a basis in truth somewhere.

Besides they hadnt realised yet that other players giving them in game credits to spend was to make sure they didnt try the gameplay to earn credits, just look at the views, they even said it themselves.

Best I can come up with is it seems like someone from CIG sort of 'steered' or 'liaised' with the poster while they were writing their post. Thats why it seems to be written by 2 people I think, the persons own POV and the 'put this in' bits that just don't fit very well and the overt desperate advertising and steering of other people....and outcomes that can be measured to see how 'successful' this type of post. #overcynical

Thanks for the update! I read this as someone finally cracking the whip. We'll see who has the upper hand this time - CR or the moneybags 😁

There have been so many times over the years that people have thought someone had a whip and this was finally going to make it happen. I am absolutely fascinated to see how true this is....you wouldn't believe the stuff / business practices that has happened, nothing 'normal' can be taken for granted at all, especially from investors and guarantees and obligations and whips. We will see indeed but nothing is usual.
 
So much potential hilarity here 😄

Just the idea of SC entering Beta with the addition of Pyro. Essentially the current feature set plus a few bonus shoehorns, now suddenly becoming SC as 'feature complete'.

That'd cause some mighty mastications on the ole vertical slice. Where would they move the next promised land to?

Remember the community getting their knickers in a twist after CIG said they would launch with only 5-10 systems, so CIG had to do damage control and said the 5-10 systems comment was really about when they would have most of the major features developed.

Funny looking back on that time, since its clear now that 5-10 systems are still years away along with most of the major features they promised (although that one is fuzzy because it all depends on what is meant by that. Is farming a major feature? Base building? Exploration?).
 
What I liked about that video was that it was pure gameplay and in-game chat. They didn't feel the need to "enhance" it by drowning everything out with heavy metal music. ;)
That is what I like also in ED and DCS. The community or most of the people are cool and relaxed. Over spectrum in Sc you have super careful what and how you post. It is like posting in a communist forum. Around every corner is a „blockward“. Most of the DCS videos are about gameplay and tutorials and not some super cut SC videos where you need 4 hours of vidoe material for an 5 min shine Video.
But the Video above was only about Carrier Landings. Its challenging especially after a mission and so on.
 
Remember the community getting their knickers in a twist after CIG said they would launch with only 5-10 systems, so CIG had to do damage control and said the 5-10 systems comment was really about when they would have most of the major features developed.

Funny looking back on that time, since its clear now that 5-10 systems are still years away along with most of the major features they promised (although that one is fuzzy because it all depends on what is meant by that. Is farming a major feature? Base building? Exploration?).


They've already laid out a minimum baseline with 3.0 in theory.

Farming, Piracy, Science & Research, Salvage. Exploration, with multiple jump points. All that stuff was supposed to be in by 3.4. In 2017/2018...

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It would look pretty damn bad if they didn't at least hit those baselines for launch.

Not that many backers haven't absolved them of that roadmap. Somehow.
 
How old are you? I mean, don't want to pry, but i'm sure there are some backers who are getting a bit nervous about whether the game will release in their lifetimes. It may not even release in CR's lifetime.

I remember on the year i jumped ship from SC (several years ago) there was this post from an elderly backer on the boards which I will always remember. He had terminal cancer and was pleading with CIG to release the game in a form complete enough for him to play and enjoy before he died.

Of course that never happened, and many years later it's still the same. Nothing much has changed.

That's why when I see posts from hardcore backers saying that CIG should take as many years as they like to complete the game - i remember that old backer. And i think no one in this terrible period of the pandemic has the luxury of waiting endlessly for SC to be done.

Life and time is too short, play something that is feature complete, reasonably bug-free and well worth your time.

SC is none of those right now.
 
I remember on the year i jumped ship from SC (several years ago) there was this post from an elderly backer on the boards which I will always remember. He had terminal cancer and was pleading with CIG to release the game in a form complete enough for him to play and enjoy before he died.

Of course that never happened, and many years later it's still the same. Nothing much has changed.

That's why when I see posts from hardcore backers saying that CIG should take as many years as they like to complete the game - i remember that old backer. And i think no one in this terrible period of the pandemic has the luxury of waiting endlessly for SC to be done.

Life and time is too short, play something that is feature complete, reasonably bug-free and well worth your time.

SC is none of those right now.

Thing is, they are in a bind. If they tried to release the game, even if they got some of the worst stability issues fixed, people would look at it and say 400 million and 8 years for this????

They'd get wrecked in reviews, and CIG know it.
 
Thing is, they are in a bind. If they tried to release the game, even if they got some of the worst stability issues fixed, people would look at it and say 400 million and 8 years for this????

They'd get wrecked in reviews, and CIG know it.

That outcome would enable Chris Roberts to walk off into the sunset loaded tho wouldnt it?
 
They'd get wrecked in reviews, and CIG know it.

Does that really matter though? CR and his buddies already got rich(er). Do they really need to care about salt from players or reviewers? Not like they need to sell copies to make money, they already have. No worrying about metacritic scores or anything of the like. The devs that worked for them will just get a new job, seem to not have much trouble even with "CIG for 5-8 years" on their resume.

CR will make a few more dozen epic rants about how SC has gone so far beyond best ever that salty internet trolls just cannot fathom how epic it truly is, absolve himself and claim a moral victory in his own head. After which he will just retire with already made profits. He's coming up to 60, mind you, not too far off now.
 

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...and all because of Chris' obsession with fidelity. Should have plastered this image all over the SC boards very early on

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This quote is a bit too generous on CIG, since it asumes there is at least a measure of competence and reasonableness to try and reach out for perfection.

In the case of CIG or CR the constantly alleged ambition for perfection is not a dream or a bold vision, it is just the ultimate excuse for failure. I think this other quote from Oscar Wilde applies much, much better to CIG and Chris Roberts:

"Ambition is the last refuge of failure"
 
That outcome would enable Chris Roberts to walk off into the sunset loaded tho wouldnt it?

Pretty sure CR doesn't want to walk off with the money though. For all people crying scam, i do not believe CR wants to scam anyone. Far from it. I believe he truly believes he can make his ultimate space game this time. And this time without pesky publishers holding him accountable and backers who will excuse every lie he says, he could do it.

If only he hadn't invited anyone to buy a percentage of the company...
 
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