What do I need to take into consideration when I want to buy a new Hard Drive?

[Firestar97]

The "converter" will effectively reduce that super speed to approx SATA SSD speeds on your ageing system.

If you want to make use of the M.2 drive to its full capability, you need a motherboard which supports it. Yours doesn't, as it is too old.

You've bought the wrong thing. It's fine, it happens. Send it back while you can, and buy the right thing.

Really sad that the Converter I've ordered doesn't fit. According to Amazon it wouldnt've slowed down the SSD (they've tested it with exactly the one I've ordered) , so it is possible to use a Converter without slowing down. The Read and Write Speed would've been over 3000 mb/s and at least every other one I've saw has a maximum Speed of 560mb/s. I wonder why it is so hard to find a Converter for PCI2

 

[Mole HD]

I would like to do it with the Converter but if I can't find one, it is the only Option. It would be great if I could find a SSD that is at least almost as good as the one I've ordered because it's so much faster than all other SSDs I've found

The converter is a PCI-E device...I explained...as did others..that the converter wouldn't fit in a PCI slot. I'm outta here since it seems you can't follow simple and concise advice when it's given. You're either trolling or have serious problems with comprehension...I haven't worked out which yet.

Good luck anyway and hope you suss it all out at some point.

 

[Morbad]

Really sad that the Converter I've ordered doesn't fit. According to Amazon it wouldnt've slowed down the SSD (they've tested it with exactly the one I've ordered) , so it is possible to use a Converter without slowing down. The Read and Write Speed would've been over 3000 mb/s and at least every other one I've saw has a maximum Speed of 560mb/s. I wonder why it is so hard to find a Converter for PCI2

The maximum bandwidth available to a PCI-E 1x slot (the slot above your video card) is ~500MB/s. You would have gained a small reduction in overhead due to the 970 Evo+ being using the NVMe protocol, but performance figures would not be better than an equivalent SATA device. No converter can increase the number of lanes of this slot...the bottleneck is the motherboard/platform, not the converter or the drive.

The slot under the video card is a legacy PCI slot, which is much slower than the PCI-E 1x slot. That's why you can't find a converter for it; it would be more complex, more expensive, and much slower. If someone really needed to connect an NVMe M.2 drive to a standard PCI slot, they'd use a PCI to PCI-E 1x bridge card, then a PCI-E to M.2 adapter and they'd max out around ~100MB/s. There is no reason to do this other than to demonstrate it could be done, or to access the contents of an NVMe drive when absolutely no other options are available.

There is no practical (there are a few wholly impractical ways, but they would be worse and more expensive than just building a new system) way to get full performance out of an M.2 NVMe PCI-E 3.0 (or higher) 4x SDD on your system. The only interface that has the bandwidth to do this is the PCI-E slot the video card is in, and that is a PCI-E revision 2.0 slot, at best, so no passive adapter would enable full performance from a 3.0 drive.

Anyway, you are fussing over theoretical peak sequential bandwidth figures when they mean next to nothing for practical SSD performance. Refund your M.2 drive and adapter, buy the cheapest brand name 1TB SATA SSD you can find, and you'll likely never be limited by storage performance on your current system again.

 

[Hell Razor5543]

If (or, rather, when) you get an SSD make sure NOT to defrag it (they don't need it). Because of the way they work they can access the data 'instantaneously' regardless of whether it is sorted sequentially or not. However, each 'memory' cell in an SSD has a finite number of 'write' cycles (this is increasing as the technology improves), and as Defrag works by moving the data to be in sequential order this can shorten the life of the SSD.

 

[Firestar97]

The maximum bandwidth available to a PCI-E 1x slot (the slot above your video card) is ~500MB/s. You would have gained a small reduction in overhead due to the 970 Evo+ being using the NVMe protocol, but performance figures would not be better than an equivalent SATA device. No converter can increase the number of lanes of this slot...the bottleneck is the motherboard/platform, not the converter or the drive.

The slot under the video card is a legacy PCI slot, which is much slower than the PCI-E 1x slot. That's why you can't find a converter for it; it would be more complex, more expensive, and much slower. If someone really needed to connect an NVMe M.2 drive to a standard PCI slot, they'd use a PCI to PCI-E 1x bridge card, then a PCI-E to M.2 adapter and they'd max out around ~100MB/s. There is no reason to do this other than to demonstrate it could be done, or to access the contents of an NVMe drive when absolutely no other options are available.

There is no practical (there are a few wholly impractical ways, but they would be worse and more expensive than just building a new system) way to get full performance out of an M.2 NVMe PCI-E 3.0 (or higher) 4x SDD on your system. The only interface that has the bandwidth to do this is the PCI-E slot the video card is in, and that is a PCI-E revision 2.0 slot, at best, so no passive adapter would enable full performance from a 3.0 drive.

Anyway, you are fussing over theoretical peak sequential bandwidth figures when they mean next to nothing for practical SSD performance. Refund your M.2 drive and adapter, buy the cheapest brand name 1TB SATA SSD you can find, and you'll likely never be limited by storage performance on your current system again.

I'll just see if it works (I don't really think Amazon would allow false Advertisement) and even if it really shouldn't work I'll already have a extremely good SSD when I need a new Motherboard someday. I looked at the Plan again and then at my Motherboard. It turned out, there are really 2 PCIE Slots (I should've really looked more closely). One of them is a PCI-E 2 but the Ventilator is plugged into it and I don't think it would be possible to plug it in somewhere else in the Computer (it would've been really great because most likely the Converter I'll send back tomorrow would've fit in there). The other one is a PCI-E 1

Also I think I can only get the Money back on my Amazon Account so if I would send the SSD back and I would buy a (most likely) cheaper SSD, the Numbers on my Bank Account wouldn't get higher anyways

 

[Dooguk]

The converter is a PCI-E device...I explained...as did others..that the converter wouldn't fit in a PCI slot. I'm outta here since it seems you can't follow simple and concise advice when it's given. You're either trolling or have serious problems with comprehension...I haven't worked out which yet.

Good luck anyway and hope you suss it all out at some point.

Sorry, but I had to laugh. You tried, you really tried.

 

[Morbad]

If (or, rather, when) you get an SSD make sure NOT to defrag it (they don't need it). Because of the way they work they can access the data 'instantaneously' regardless of whether it is sorted sequentially or not. However, each 'memory' cell in an SSD has a finite number of 'write' cycles (this is increasing as the technology improves), and as Defrag works by moving the data to be in sequential order this can shorten the life of the SSD.

There is some benefit to defragmenting an SSD, as there is less file system and controller map table overhead when dealing with contiguous files (zero fragmentation means n entry per file, rather than n entries for each piece of a fragmented file). The precise location of each file doesn't matter, but performance will still be best if they are in as few pieces as possible. An occasional defragment-only (as opposed to an optimization or consolidation that would benefit mechanical drives) pass is not a bad idea to do on occasion. Indeed, when working properly, recent version of Windows will deliberately degfragment SSDs once a month. Problems only happen when P/E cycles are needlessly wasted by doing so too frequently.

I'll just see if it works (I don't really think Amazon would allow false Advertisement) and even if it really shouldn't work I'll already have a extremely good SSD when I need a new Motherboard someday. I looked at the Plan again and then at my Motherboard. It turned out, there are really 2 PCIE Slots (I should've really looked more closely). One of them is a PCI-E 2 but the Ventilator is plugged into it and I don't think it would be possible to plug it in somewhere else in the Computer (it would've been really great because most likely the Converter I'll send back tomorrow would've fit in there). The other one is a PCI-E 1

The 'ventilator' you mention is your video card. "PCI-E 2" is referring to the second slot in your system. That's in the system's only PCI-E slot that has more than one lane.

"PCI-E 1" is a 1x PCI-E slot, which won't accept more than a 1x PCI-E device without modification.

PCI-E and PCI are totally different standards. "PCI1" and "PCI2" are legacy PCI slots. Even if you find a PCI to PCI-E converter, you absolutely do not want to connect an NVMe drive here.

The issue isn't false advertising, it's you not understanding the physical/electrical/logical limitations of the components involved.

It is absolutely possible to get full speed out of a PCI-E 3.0 4x M.2 drive with an M.2 adapter that is plugged into a PCI-E 3.0 (or higher) 4x (or higher) PCI-E slot. The problem is that your system has none of these. The maximum bandwidth of the remotely practicable solutions available to you is that "PCIE1" slot, which is a PCI-E 1.1 (I originally thought it was 2.0, but checking the specs of the 630a chipset, it's PCI-E revision is 1.1) 1x slot. It's impossible to get more than 250MB/s of bandwidth through this slot.

 

[Firestar97]

"PCI-E 1" is a 1x PCI-E slot, which won't accept more than a 1x PCI-E device without modification.

I'm a bit confused. Does that mean it won't be possible to use a Converter in this Slot?

 

[Morbad]

I'm a bit confused. Does that mean it won't be possible to use a Converter in this Slot?

You can, if you find one made for a 1x slot, but it will never come close to reaching the full speed of the drive. Indeed, you'll be limited to one sixteenth the maximum speed of a 4x 3.0 slot--1/4th for the number of lanes, quartered again for only having PCI-E revision 1.1, rather than 3.0.

 

[VR StarLightPL]

I guess the lesson from this thread is:

Unless you really really want to still re-animate your necro-computer, just accept the fact that 7 years later hardware should be exchanged for a modern one. From a technical standpoint, your computer belongs with the dinosaurs. It had a good run, but that's it. I'm surprised it runs Elite at all. And with the cheaper and much more efficient current gen AMD Ryzen chips available currently, you (or rather, someone actually knowledgeable in putting together a PC) can put together a nice system, put in some nice graphic card and fast SSDs and enjoy it. Sorry for being blunt, but that's life - you don't go around buying random exhaust parts for your car hoping they would fit and make your engine go faster, right?

 

[Firestar97]

Unless you really really want to still re-animate your necro-computer, just accept the fact that 7 years later hardware should be exchanged for a modern one. From a technical standpoint, your computer belongs with the dinosaurs. It had a good run, but that's it. I'm surprised it runs Elite at all.

Ok, I would like to know how old your Computer is. Also what does Elite have to do with that? Frontier made other Games too

 

[VR StarLightPL]

Ok, I would like to know how old your Computer is. Also what does Elite have to do with that? Frontier made other Games too

My sig has the info, bought/upgraded from a similar re-animated dinosaur a year ago, only my dinosaur was a msi gaming board with an i5-3570k. Plan to use it ~2 years at most, then switch to better hardware, probably AMD if they deliver something worthwhile for gamers needing fast cpus (because of VR).

And Re: Elite, I kinda assumed it was in Elite boards because it showed up in "new posts" but seeing your avatar I think you're a Planet Zoo player

 

[Dooguk]

From a technical standpoint, your computer belongs with the dinosaurs.

Could it run Jurassic Park Evolution?

 

[Firestar97]

Could it run Jurassic Park Evolution?

My Computer can run every Game perfectly even on the highest Settings. Only Planet Zoo does lagg sometimes but as far as I know that has something to do with the Software they use to protect the Game from Piracy.
Also why are so many People calling it Jurassic Park Evolution even though the Name of the Game is Jurassic World Evolution?

 

[Dooguk]

My Computer can run every Game perfectly even on the highest Settings. Only Planet Zoo does lagg sometimes but as far as I know that has something to do with the Software they use to protect the Game from Piracy.
Also why are so many People calling it Jurassic Park Evolution even though the Name of the Game is Jurassic World Evolution?

I hope you get your PC working but this fits in perfectly with all your other posts. Thanks, it's been a laugh.

 

[Firestar97]

I hope you get your PC working but this fits in perfectly with all your other posts. Thanks, it's been a laugh.

It's ok if you laugh about it. I'm just a Beginner regarding the Hardware inside of a Computer. But somehow I need to learn this Stuff and I know already so much more than before I've started this Thread. I can't wait for my Computer to finally work again. I think there won't be any more Failures now

 

[VR StarLightPL]

If it's learning you want and your computer can run any game perfectly on max settings then I would recommend:

PC Building Simulator on Steam

Build and grow your very own computer repair enterprise as you learn to diagnose, fix and build PCs. With real-world licensed components and comprehensive hardware and software simulation, you can plan and bring your ultimate PC to life.

store.steampowered.com

It's a fun way to learn and doesn't involve spending real money on things that won't fit

 

[Firestar97]

If it's learning you want and your computer can run any game perfectly on max settings then I would recommend:

PC Building Simulator on Steam

Build and grow your very own computer repair enterprise as you learn to diagnose, fix and build PCs. With real-world licensed components and comprehensive hardware and software simulation, you can plan and bring your ultimate PC to life.

store.steampowered.com

It's a fun way to learn and doesn't involve spending real money on things that won't fit

Thanks, I think I will buy the Game when my Computer works again so I'll be better prepared next Time

 

[Firestar97]

Ok, I didn't want to annoy you Guys anymore until my Problem is finally solved but for some Reason I can't find the necessary information online. Does anyone know if this PCIE1 Slot is compatible with this Converter (it is also compatible with 1.0 so it should work if it fits)

https://www.amazon.de/dp/B07NSVNS1T/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_fab_AlkEFbHR5AG4K

It's impossible to find out even if I look up the Motherboard on multiple Sites. It looks like it could fit but I want to be completely sure before I order it

Edit: interesting. Just learned that it seems like a SATA to M.2 Converter does also exist. Would this be faster than a PCI-E Converter that is used in a 1.0 PCIE1 Slot?

 

[Asp Explorer]

Just buy a SATA drive.

Just because a PC is old doesn't mean it's not useable. You just have to understand the hardware, and as has been explained multiple times in this thread - your options are all easily available.

This is one I keep around purely for "rescuing" old CD's and DVD's.

It's even older than your machine.