Why you should fight for the Empire Vs. Liz Ryder: An Analysis

"Lose" is a tricky term for these things.

The Empire's power is large, but not infinite. Obviously they could roll in millions of warships and flatten all opposition. And they could keep those ships there indefinitely to secure the area.

But while they're doing that in an independent system on the Empire's fringes, those ships aren't in Ackwada, or Beatis, or Chana, or Nahuatl where there's a risk of a Marlinist uprising on what for now remains Imperial territory ... and they aren't in Achenar or Facece or Kamadhenu or Cemiess protecting the remaining members of the Imperial family from attack ... and they aren't helping Imperial factions in HIP 27633 where at this very moment a secessionist movement from nearby HIP 30038 is attacking the system.

The Federation didn't lose Lugh because an entire superpower couldn't beat a well-supported system - it lost it because the price of winning would have been too high. Neither of the big superpowers has the military strength to do more than maintain its existing territory ... and even that is slowly slipping away.

I don't expect the Empire to accept defeat - but Patreus will have to prioritise. If a full-frontal attack doesn't work, "the same but bigger" might, but there's probably a smarter way to go about it.
It wouldn't be the first time in history that a large power has gone after a much smaller one, only to find the rest of their dominion getting set on fire because they weren't around to defend it.
It wouldn't even be the first time in the lore.
It wouldn't even be the first time players have done it in the game.
It wouldn't even be the first time I've done it to someone personally.
 
A friendly reminder, that it makes completely 0 sense for EMPIRE to just back off after week of warfrare - whomever famrs most of combat bonds - against a petty mafia. Nor it would make any sense for them to actually loos such a war long-term.

Therefore Mafia "winning" this week would lead to escalation of the conflict. Further and further escalation until either lyz rider is apprehended for questioning, or there is nothing left to fight for over eurybia.



question was if winner is decided by tiers or total bonds.

At this point it is the Mafia and the Imperial minor faction fighting through auxiliaries (us Commanders). Senator Patreus has his personal fleet, not to mention possibly the Imperial Armada to arrive on-scene. But given the situation I think that the Senator will be recalled to the Senate to inform the Emperor regarding the defeat against the Mafia.

Given that the affair is tied into the Empire's grief (and desire for vengeance) regarding the NMLA actions, I think the Empire will just scale up her efforts to seize those (presumably) involved.
 
At this point it is the Mafia and the Imperial minor faction fighting through auxiliaries (us Commanders). Senator Patreus has his personal fleet, not to mention possibly the Imperial Armada to arrive on-scene. But given the situation I think that the Senator will be recalled to the Senate to inform the Emperor regarding the defeat against the Mafia.

Given that the affair is tied into the Empire's grief (and desire for vengeance) regarding the NMLA actions, I think the Empire will just scale up her efforts to seize those (presumably) involved.

Well fighting through auxiliary of auxiliaries (Keltim Empire leage) is the only reason why loosing the week-long campaign we have right now is believable possibility.
But I do not find it believable they would stop there and admitt to being defeated by rando mafia, especially not within influence sphere of Denton Patreus. I expect nothing less than escalation of the conflict if blue mafia wins this one.
 
What was the question? (I block the guy you are quoting.) My question, which may be the same, is will the losing side still be paid for their contributions based on their tier? I got paid to serve my country's military even when we don't win a particular battle. Seems only fair if CGs work the same way.
That one I don't know. I have been collecting missions to kill the mafia guys that I use to supplement the meager pay (if any) that will come from the work.
 
Anyone notice that you go to fight for this group but if that battle is lost you lose a bit of faction with the mafia (expected) but huge loss with the empire. As if its your fault.
You could, potentially, put your neck on the line for these people and come out being hated for helping them. I don't expect a faction gain for losing a battle, but a huge loss seems vietnamy.
 
Much easier to get a confession hey? Then its all open and shut, a nice confession would end it all?

Wonders how long Lyz would be in for 'questioning' before she confesses....

As long as the Imperial Authorities deem nessecary to verify her potential involvement.
 
I think it's very likely that Liz made the bombs. She's an arms-dealer, that's what she does. But that wouldn't make her an NMLA member or sympathiser.

As for the Blue Mafia, the only real evidence against them is "suspicious ship movements". They're a mafia, they are very much into suspicious ship movements. But not likely to be idealistic enough to knowingly ally themselves with the NMLA. They might have been hired to transport a "package", however.

I suspect that the Empire aren't the only ones investigating this. Both Liz and the Blue Mafia will be asking questions too.
 
Well fighting through auxiliary of auxiliaries (Keltim Empire leage) is the only reason why loosing the week-long campaign we have right now is believable possibility.
But I do not find it believable they would stop there and admitt to being defeated by rando mafia, especially not within influence sphere of Denton Patreus. I expect nothing less than escalation of the conflict if blue mafia wins this one.
On the contrary.

Doing it through a proxy like the Keltim Empire league - who weren't even the most influential imperial faction in Eurybia at the outset of the conflict - gives the higher-ups in the empire the perfect excuse to wash their hands of the matter if things don't go as planned. If the "rando mafia" defeats them, then Patreus gets to just shrug his shoulders and say that obviously his underlings weren't up to the task, the failure was theirs. Maybe even a "you have disappointed me for the last time" for whoever's in charge of KEL.

If KEL loses, it's KEL's failure. If Patreus himself got directly involved and things didn't run smoothly, then he'd be the one to have to answer for it to the emperor.
 
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If KEL loses, it's KEL's failure. If Patreus himself got directly involved and things didn't run smoothly, then he'd be the one to have to answer for it to the emperor.

Except the topic of NMLA is a tad too big one to shrug it off so easilly. If lyz is suspect and the force sent to get her fails in the task, considering the events preceeding the campaign, shrugging of that "well underlings were not up to the task" is not a believable option. They will just sent stronger underlings to do what the weaker underlings failed to do. And to show the rando mafia to not think they can win against the empire.

Well if the Imperials lose, I am sure they will just pen an Imperial history where they consider it a victory, as the other side were underhand cheaters, and just did not play fair.

No, that's Winters thing, sorry.
 
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