I want Indian Flag Paint Jobs to support my oppressed heritage!

[Jason Clearbrook]

This is supposed to be a suggestion thread, and I do mean to make a valid suggestion.

Allow all different kinds of ship paint jobs. Also allow all to choose what to see or not see, and by default, not see any at all.

How is this accomplished? Google "Unwrapping a 3D Mesh" to get a glimmer of how this is possible. The suggestion is simple. Allow anyone, (even non-players) to access the "unwrap" of the various ships and paint them as they please. Submit it to FDev, (with a fee -- after all, they must expend some real time and resources to do this and should be compensated) to evaluate for appropriateness. If acceptable, it is published on a separate board where players can purchase them. I don't care if that is with real money or not, ARX or not, compensating the designers, (which I think is appropriate if they so desire) or not. Then, in the game, you can choose to see all paint jobs, and then exclude some, or exclude all paint jobs and then just see some.

Ideally, there would be access to the meshes themselves, or at least an application that allows the designer to preview their work. Working with unwraps can yield unexpected results. The LGBT people can have their flag. I can have mine. Someone wants the hammer and sickle? Great! I mean Communists are part of the game, are they not? Someone may purchase a symbolic paint job, not because they support the cause, but because they think it is "pretty" or "cool" or whatnot. Who cares why they choose it, if you can choose not to see it?

This could be a revenue stream for FDev, (not that they really need it) that requires minimal work on their part and pays out like sporadic royalties.

I really hope this suggestion has legs. I kinda really would like to have an "Indian Themed" paint job or two... (and yes, would pay real money to do so)

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[theBreadSultan]

That's a lot to unpack - seems like you got yourself a bit hot and bothered.

I'd make several points but it's late.

Being "loud and proud" also known as "were here were queer" is a really important step towards normalisation.

It is human nature to keep doing the things that have worked up till now, even if that's not logical.

I think custom homemade skins would result in a the 'halo effect'

Not to mention copyright issues.

 

[Jason Clearbrook]

Certainly copyright issues are something to be considered. If I wanted to make a "Punisher" themed paint job, I should get permission from Marvel Comics. They may give it to me. They may not. If I was to get it , there should be some way to let FDev know that and be able to validate the same. That is something that FDev would have to be very careful about, and is good enough reason to for them to reject this idea. However, they could caveat in the contract of submission, that if a paint job is found to violate copyright protections, that it may be removed. If a design is not acceptable, (for any reason) the fee is still forfeit. They could include a checkbox for the ability of FDev to make minimal adjustments. And if copyright issues are found after the fact, it is normally considered sufficient defense to cease and desist once the issue has been validly raised. FDev probably has artists that could change a paint job sufficiently to bypass that problem, which would be reason enough to make the fee higher: the potential of that contingency. There are certainly probably other options that neither you or I would concieve of.

Please do not bang the gay rights drum again. I don't want to get started again. I think I got it out of my system, but if you insist on pressing the issue, I am more than willing to give a practical demonstration of the "forceful opposition" concept, and everyone will see just how the divide widens firsthand. I am not opposed to what you want. I just do not support it at this time...

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[Jason Clearbrook]

As for the Halo Effect, that is possible even with the paint jobs that FDev currently supplies us with. I think that to be a non-issue for that reason, but I get your point. If people are sufficiently inflamed, certain paint jobs may automatically jaundice another player's attitudes. That is a risk I am willing to take. For those who are not, don't use a paint job that you may think will put you in a bad starting position with the people you are likely to meet.

Something as innocuous as a paint job with butterflies on it might get you labeled as a "sissy", although, I kinda like Johnny Cash's answer to that in the song "A Boy Named Sue" which is mildly amusing to most people...

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[Nadreck]

The problem with custom paintjobs is that no other player will ever see them on your ship unless they have downloaded/installed them too. Presumably that happens with normal paintjobs during game updates.

I suppose it might be possible to come up with a utility that wraps a specified user-provided image around one of your own ships, which only you will ever see. No need for copyright/censorship checks then.

 

[Florenus]

Hm... Just curious, but what exactly do you mean by "Indian" of "oppressed heritage"? Dalit?

 

[Rat Catcher]

Hm... Just curious, but what exactly do you mean by "Indian" of "oppressed heritage"? Dalit?

Maybe 'untouchable' as that is the principle repressed caste in India, although I don't believe they would have a specific flag for the caste.

Just sounds like 'sour grapes' as there are many more flags not available as PJ's than are... Perhaps the logical response, to prevent further discontent among those who consider they are not represented, would be to remove all flags from sale immediately and to have the currently owned ones only visible to the owner?

 

[Dillon Fallon]

The limitation that was discussed in the other thread was that paint jobs can only have 3 colours. This is a problem for the Indian flag, which has 4 (as well as others). Is having the ability to create your own paint jobs with that limitation worth it?

 

[Screemonster]

Maybe 'untouchable' as that is the principle repressed caste in India, although I don't believe they would have a specific flag for the caste.

Just sounds like 'sour grapes' as there are many more flags not available as PJ's than are... Perhaps the logical response, to prevent further discontent among those who consider they are not represented, would be to remove all flags from sale immediately and to have the currently owned ones only visible to the owner?

they have the old libya flag - available for every ship, too! Sneaky that they are, though, they cleverly called it "vibrant green" to fool us.

 

[Florenus]

Maybe 'untouchable' as that is the principle repressed caste in India, although I don't believe they would have a specific flag for the caste.

Frankly, I kind of suspect that he ment Native American when he wrote "Indian"...

 

[Rat Catcher]

Frankly, I kind of suspect that he ment Native American when he wrote "Indian"...

Did the native american nations even have a flag? (I somehow feel that may not be the case)
But an interesting observation, calling Native Americans "Indians" seems to be a bit of a misnomer if one is claiming it to be one's oppressed heritage...

 

[Dillon Fallon]

Did the native american nations even have a flag? (I somehow feel that may not be the case)
But an interesting observation, calling Native Americans "Indians" seems to be a bit of a misnomer if one is claiming it to be one's oppressed heritage...

They do have a flag, but it's the same issue- too many colours.

Although in modern times I had thought that Indians only came from India as well.

 

[Florenus]

Did the native american nations even have a flag? (I somehow feel that may not be the case)
But an interesting observation, calling Native Americans "Indians" seems to be a bit of a misnomer if one is claiming it to be one's oppressed heritage...

I don't know if they have some flag representing all of them, but certainly every tribe or nation has their own.

 

[Jason Clearbrook]

Frankly, I kind of suspect that he meant Native American when he wrote "Indian"...

Very astute. Yes. I used the term because this is a U.K. based game. I thought that just Indian would be perceived as one from India, which I am not. You can call me Native American, Native American Indian, American Indian, or Indian. I am not particular about that. I am actually only about one quarter Indian. Still, that is more than enough to be considered Asian for an Asian American, Black for an African American, Hispanic for one of Latino Descent in the United States, etc. And that was all part of the Original Post. You may have been able to discern that from the post of theBreadSultan up above. Frankly, that is upsetting. Moderators seem to pick and choose which "protected groups" they are going to respect, and which they are going to ignore and/or treat as second class citizens. I'll post that elsewhere in the Forums. They will probably take that down as well. But that is not in line with a British Law called the Equality Act of 2010. They did not move another thread started here, but took it down. It may have been appropriate for them to move it, but they did not. They just took it down. Under Law, that is "victimization" and prohibited. I have a feeling this is going to be a drum I will pound only Louder, using the advice from our LGBT friend above. That will be here and much broader.

Enough on that, for now.

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[Jason Clearbrook]

Did the native american nations even have a flag? (I somehow feel that may not be the case)
But an interesting observation, calling Native Americans "Indians" seems to be a bit of a misnomer if one is claiming it to be one's oppressed heritage...

Some may be so inclined. I am not. Don't call me "Injun" or "Redskin" or any other obviously derogatory term and I am just fine. Unlike African Americans who seem to generally allow other African Americans use the "N" word, in effect condoning it's usage, you can expect to get an earful from me if you are Native American and use derogatory terms like "Injun" around me.

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[Jason Clearbrook]

The problem with custom paintjobs is that no other player will ever see them on your ship unless they have downloaded/installed them too. Presumably that happens with normal paintjobs during game updates.

I suppose it might be possible to come up with a utility that wraps a specified user-provided image around one of your own ships, which only you will ever see. No need for copyright/censorship checks then.

If I understand correctly, the paint jobs are downloaded as needed. If they currently are downloaded while starting the game or downloading the game, that dynamic can be changed, and that should not be a serious problem for a professional coder to accomplish that...

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[Ian Phillips]

Closing this thread as it has moved away from a simple suggestion about a paint job to a platform complaining about Forum Moderation.

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