General / Off-Topic Do vapes help you quit the habit?

Cmdr Mander

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After 40 years of sucking in and blowing out smoke I've come to the conclusion it's not for me 😀
I've tried the patches, gum, lozenges and even Liquorice Allsorts! But never with any success.
I was watching a BBC Horizon episode some time ago where they had a group of smokers and gave each a different nicotine replacement products and found that those who used the Vapes had an overwhelming success in staying off the regular cigs.

Has anyone used vaping as a way of quitting? Did you manage to quit completely and if so, which type of vape did you use? Did you then go on to quit vaping as well? I appreciate there is no magic bullet and will power is still going to be needed.

I've looked at what's available for vaping and it's a flipp'in minefield of options.

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Chris Simon

Chris Simon
Vaping is a good way of quitting because smoking consists of two separate addictions - habitual (the act of smoking itself is a habit - a "ritual" if you will) and the nicotine addiction (i.e. drug addiction with withdrawal syndromes and everything)
Vaping allows you to get rid of these two addictions one at a time instead of together, so it's less of a... psychological load. You don't have to have as strong a will to quit, imo.

You can start lowering the nicotine doses in your liquid while still smoking the same amount. After a couple of months your neurotransmitters will learn to function without nicotine again and you're basically free of the addiction.
Then you can start soking less and less and if you're lucky, one day you're going to find out that you don't really need to smoke at all.

By and large, it's much more of a gradual process and imo way better than quitting outright or using things like patches or chewing gums which break the habitual addiction first but leave you still addicted to nicotine with nowhere to turn to (unless you start smoking again.)

That being said - don't listen to me. I'm a strong smoker for 40 years and while I did transition from cigarettes to hookah and vaping, I have no intention of quitting. I like smoking and I don't care about dying earlier so... :LOL: I did reduce the amount of nicotine, though.
But I know several people who successfully quit smoking via the vaping route and like I said, it's longer but MUCH less dramatic process than any other way I've see people do it.

As to which type of vape - I think the best way is buying a mod (the control unit with batteries) and a separate tank and to mix your own vaping liquid. That way you can fully control the smokiness, flavours and nicotine. It's also way cheaper in the long run - the small vaping devices and pre-mixed liquids are expensive and don't last.
 
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Cmdr Mander

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Thanks Chris, that's some really encouraging info, appreciate it.
As for the mod recommendation, is there a particular brand which is more popular than others? I'm not sure about mixing my own liquids, just because I'm too damned lazy, would rather buy a pre-mixed nicotine flavour and bung it in.
Looking into the different mods is like figuring out engineering in ED, with all the ohms, coils and widgets :)
 

Chris Simon

Chris Simon
Cmdr Mander said:
Thanks Chris, that's some really encouraging info, appreciate it.
As for the mod recommendation, is there a particular brand which is more popular than others? I'm not sure about mixing my own liquids, just because I'm too damned lazy, would rather buy a pre-mixed nicotine flavour and bung it in.
Looking into the different mods is like figuring out engineering in ED, with all the ohms, coils and widgets :)
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When comes to mods, "my" two brands are Voopoo and Smok. At the moment I've got Smok G-Priv and Voopoo DRAG II (if you want to look them up)
The tank selection is up to you and I would recommend simply visiting a good vaping supply shop where they will advise you. It depends on many things like whether you want to inhale directly (like hookah) or indirectly (mouth to lung like cigarettes and e-cigs), if you prefer a lot of smoke or more taste (There are many different kinds of coils for either even within one tank selection), etc.

As for mixing your own liquids, I am the laziest person on the planet and I've learned to do it instead of constantly having to buy pre-mixed ones. It's actually much easier to just mix your monthly dose all at once. :)
Again, a good shop will give you an advice on that. You just buy a base, striker (concentrated nicotine dose so you can mix "your" strength easily) and favours. Mix them together, let them cure for a day or two (more important for tobacco flavours, fruity ones you can smoke right away) and you're good for weeks.
It's also SIGNIFICANTLY cheaper that way.
 

Patrick_68000

Patrick_68000
Cmdr Mander said:
I appreciate there is no magic bullet and will power is still going to be needed.
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Not really a matter of will.

I smoked during 30 years. One evening I took my pack of cigarettes and I soaked it in water and threw it in the trash.

I plunged my nose into the ashtray full of cigarette butts and ashes.

Since this evening, I have never touched a cigarette again and without any substitute, apart from playing sports and respecting my respiratory organs.

I am in my fourteenth year without tobacco.

Can I recommend this little book for you ? This book allowed me to quit completely without will, without substitutes, instantly and without relapse.

Of course you have to be receptive to what the author wrote.

For me, quitting 30 years of smoking cost me less than 10 euros. :)

en.wikipedia.org

The Easy Way to Stop Smoking - Wikipedia

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Allen Carr - Wikipedia

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Patrick_68000

Patrick_68000
micmacmoc said:
I have done the Allan Carr and vapes. I dont smoke anymore...unless I've had about ten pints and other things....so its successful as the changes (covid) have meant the other things have been less frequent! Good luck and enjoy the gradual realisation that you are fitter than you thought and beer tastes bloody brilliant again!
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As Allen said, the first three days have the false reputation of being hell.

For me and so many others, those first three days were a progression towards the heaven. Each additional minute was like a shot of physical well-being and beneficial rediscoveries. ;)

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Patrick_68000

Patrick_68000
Chris Simon said:
The nicotine addiction.

You can start lowering the nicotine doses in your liquid while still smoking the same amount. After a couple of months your neurotransmitters will learn to function without nicotine again and you're basically free of the addiction.
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There is no real nicotine addiction.

As Allen Carr said (and as I checked it myself), the addiction is 30 minutes (between two cigarettes).

After an hour, the body is almost no longer dependent on nicotine. It is your brain that makes you think you are dependent.

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Patrick_68000

Patrick_68000
Chris Simon said:
Vaping is a good way of quitting because smoking consists of two separate addictions - habitual (the act of smoking itself is a habit - a "ritual" if you will) and the nicotine addiction (i.e. drug addiction with withdrawal syndromes and everything)
Vaping allows you to get rid of these two addictions one at a time instead of together, so it's less of a... psychological load. You don't have to have as strong a will to quit, imo.

You can start lowering the nicotine doses in your liquid while still smoking the same amount. After a couple of months your neurotransmitters will learn to function without nicotine again and you're basically free of the addiction.
Then you can start soking less and less and if you're lucky, one day you're going to find out that you don't really need to smoke at all.

By and large, it's much more of a gradual process and imo way better than quitting outright or using things like patches or chewing gums which break the habitual addiction first but leave you still addicted to nicotine with nowhere to turn to (unless you start smoking again.)

That being said - don't listen to me. I'm a strong smoker for 40 years and while I did transition from cigarettes to hookah and vaping, I have no intention of quitting. I like smoking and I don't care about dying earlier so... :LOL: I did reduce the amount of nicotine, though.
But I know several people who successfully quit smoking via the vaping route and like I said, it's longer but MUCH less dramatic process than any other way I've see people do it.

As to which type of vape - I think the best way is buying a mod (the control unit with batteries) and a separate tank and to mix your own vaping liquid. That way you can fully control the smokiness, flavours and nicotine. It's also way cheaper in the long run - the small vaping devices and pre-mixed liquids are expensive and don't last.
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When I read your post, I realize that you are really psychologically conditioned by smoking and the false information that is distilled by the tobacco lobby, the vaping industry and the pharmaceutical sector.

I say it again, 30 years of cigarettes with 1 to 2 packs per day.

Arrested definitively with almost no will, no physical dependence, no substitute. Just sports regularly (to open windows and ventilate).

However, fundamentally I think in your case it's more hedonism and laziness if you vape. :D :LOL::ROFLMAO:

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Chris Simon

Chris Simon
Patrick_68000 said:
When I read your post, I realize that you are really psychologically conditioned by smoking and the false information that is distilled by the tobacco lobby, the vaping industry and the pharmaceutical sector.

I say it again, 30 years of cigarettes with 1 to 2 packs per day.

Arrested definitively with almost no will, no physical dependence, no substitute. Just sports regularly (to open windows and ventilate).

However, fundamentally I think in your case it's more hedonism and laziness if you vape. :D :LOL::ROFLMAO:

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No, I think you misunderstood.
I have a major in biochemistry and I know exactly what smoking does to a body.

But I LIKE smoking. Simple as that. I love making smoke rings and room full of smoke makes me comfortable. And I don't WANT to stop. :)

But naturally, because I know how dangerous it is, I am a big fan of people who want to stop and succeed.
 

Patrick_68000

Patrick_68000
sewerratuk said:
As long as you keep it to yourself, it’s your choice.
Speaking as an ex-smoker of all sorts of plants who went cold turkey many years ago, just the thought of being in a room full of smoke makes me want to vomit, but there is nothing worse than an ex-smoker ;)
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Yes often ex-smokers are the worst opponents of cigarettes, until hatred sometimes.

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Cmdr Mander

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Was going round in circles with the amount of choice, so ended up just picking a kit on Amazon which had decent reviews.

Genuine Aspire X30 Rover Kit 2000 mAh w/2mL Nautilus X E-Cigarette (Silver) : Amazon.co.uk: Health & Personal Care

Genuine Aspire X30 Rover Kit 2000 mAh w/2mL Nautilus X E-Cigarette (Silver) : Amazon.co.uk: Health & Personal Care
www.amazon.co.uk

I've also ordered some liquid from JAC Vapour which is very well reviewed for being very similiar to the real thing.

Thanks for all the info (and encouragement) really appreciated.
 

JonnyC0mbat

JonnyC0mbat
Just to add my 10p's worth. I was a 20 a day man, switched to vaping. Started off at 20mg Nicotine, a month later I'm down to 10, 3 months later 3mg. I'm now mixing my own at 1.5mg.

I'm sure it's not good for you either but my lung capacity has improved dramatically, I don't need to use an inhaler anymore, and my house doesn't stink of smoke. Vaping is the only thing that's helped me stop smoking. Give it a couple of years and I'll hopefully be off the vaping as well.

Vaping juice wise I really like Pinkman: https://www.vampirevape.co.uk/konceptxix-pinkman-50ml-0mg.html

If you get the shortfill bottles you can just add the nicotine: https://www.vampirevape.co.uk/nicit-up-7030.html

The Ohmboy stuff is nice as well, especially the Cranberry, Apple, and Raspberry.

Tip: When you get a new vaping thingy or you replace the coil, make sure to wet the coil with juice before filling the tank.
 

Garix

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SWMBO and myself had tried many things over the years. Nicolites e-cigs is what finally managed to help us quit. Used them for about 12-18 months before finally kicking it completely. We've both been smoke free for 3 years now and chuffed to bits :)

She is a typical ex-smoker, hates the smell with a passion. Unfortunately for me they still smell great and the odd craving is still there. I just find something else to do for a couple of minutes until the craving goes and I'm fine again.
 

Arry

Arry
I would say that Vaping is probably the best way to quit. But it needs two things, discipline and most important of all: You really have to want to quit.

I have been smoking for over 40 years. I was born with a heart defect and was told at 17, that it would kill me before I was 40 and so, as far as I was concerned. Smoking was not going to kill me, so why give up? I got the 'habit' early 13 and with me, it really helps with the tension and stress. For over 30 years, I have rolled my own and won't smoke normal cigarettes, because of the dangerous stuff in them. I don't feel like I have had a cigarette, if I smoke a normal one and so over the past 20 years or so, have turned them down if offered. I am nearly 58 mow, with still the same heart defect and really regretting not quitting decades ago. But as has been said above. I don't really want to quit. It still keeps me from stressing out, losing my temper etc.. I have been nagged, stood outside smoking in the 'sin bin', but these things, just drive me to carry on.

I tried vaping and have to say, that if I had the discipline and motive, it would probably be the most affective way for me to quit. I tried it. Stating with a high nicotine dose and starting the day vaping, stretching it by 15 minutes each day, before a had a roll up. Over the weeks and months, I cut down the nicotine content, but I found that it never 'nit the spot' and still craved that first roll-up. Then I realised, I wasn't doing it because i wanted too, it was because others around me, had nagged me into it. So I went back to enjoying my morning cigarette and stopped feeling so tense all of the time.

Yes I know it is bad for me, but it is too late now. I don't have kids to think about, I don't smoke in people's faces and respect other peoples space. Some people give me attitude about it, but I explain that my generation, was brought up too smoke. Every film had smoking in it and it was in your face, all of the time and if they still wish to growl at me. I explain that the tax I have paid over the years, for this simple pleasure, covers any cost to the health service, I may incur in the future.
 

Patrick_68000

Patrick_68000
Arry said:
I would say that Vaping is probably the best way to quit. But it needs two things, discipline and most important of all: You really have to want to quit.

I have been smoking for over 40 years. I was born with a heart defect and was told at 17, that it would kill me before I was 40 and so, as far as I was concerned. Smoking was not going to kill me, so why give up? I got the 'habit' early 13 and with me, it really helps with the tension and stress. For over 30 years, I have rolled my own and won't smoke normal cigarettes, because of the dangerous stuff in them. I don't feel like I have had a cigarette, if I smoke a normal one and so over the past 20 years or so, have turned them down if offered. I am nearly 58 mow, with still the same heart defect and really regretting not quitting decades ago. But as has been said above. I don't really want to quit. It still keeps me from stressing out, losing my temper etc.. I have been nagged, stood outside smoking in the 'sin bin', but these things, just drive me to carry on.

I tried vaping and have to say, that if I had the discipline and motive, it would probably be the most affective way for me to quit. I tried it. Stating with a high nicotine dose and starting the day vaping, stretching it by 15 minutes each day, before a had a roll up. Over the weeks and months, I cut down the nicotine content, but I found that it never 'nit the spot' and still craved that first roll-up. Then I realised, I wasn't doing it because i wanted too, it was because others around me, had nagged me into it. So I went back to enjoying my morning cigarette and stopped feeling so tense all of the time.

Yes I know it is bad for me, but it is too late now. I don't have kids to think about, I don't smoke in people's faces and respect other peoples space. Some people give me attitude about it, but I explain that my generation, was brought up too smoke. Every film had smoking in it and it was in your face, all of the time and if they still wish to growl at me. I explain that the tax I have paid over the years, for this simple pleasure, covers any cost to the health service, I may incur in the future.
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For information,the nicotine is not a tranquilizer and a de-stressing but a stimulant and a cardiac accelerator. :)

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