Game Discussions Star Citizen Discussion Thread v12

[[VR] DDM_Reaper20]

Even founded by customers, the marketing département of CIG use the same tools that the gaming industry. Evocati are under NDA because their builds have more bugs than the normal PTU. They gave access to this build to streamers for the MSR, nothing abormal to make them not post those 'extra' bugs. If streamers want to post bugs, they can find a whole bunch of them in the PU.
For what I know, the fact that SC has bugs is not hidden, you can find a lot of streamer's video showing them (you can follow this thread if you want to see all of them).

That's not the issue at hand. You were comparing apples and oranges, mainly, publishers who are taking a financial risk, vs. CI, who burden the customers with the risk of failure and forfeiture of funds . . . such as the ridiculous "pledge," which makes it sound like something you do for free, instead of calling it what it is: a business transaction.

That's my primary beef. The customer HAS already handed the cash over, quite a lot in some cases, so they have every right to know what's working and what is not. That's totally different from future buyers of, say, Cyberpunk 2077. No money has exchanged hands, certainly not to the tune of thousands of dollars.

 

[Vasious]

IMHO this is not ever going to happen. They have promised too much and based on their performance to date are not able to deliver even a coherent MVP.

In other news, is it really true that SC will have unicorn cavalry to help players fight sand worms? I'm sure I read or dreamt that somewhere. Or maybe it's Pegasus class cavalry I was dreaming of.

Heed the call, buy a handwavium and live in your dreams. Gordon's ALIVE!!!!!

You're just thinking if the Endeavour

After all what top rate science ship like that wont be able to genetically engineer and gene splice life found throughout the 'Verse to create Pegasus War Mounts to fight said Sand Worms

 

[LittleAnt]

If they sign such things they are meant to declare them. How many of those streamers are you aware of who have declared such?

I haven't followed closely this story. But if those streamers where in PTU with evocati, they should have signed the same NDA relative to bugs as the evocati.

Even Rexshilla always claimed he wasn't being paid by CIG....

Respecting an NDA's company doesn't mean you are paid by this company.

 

[LittleAnt]

The customer HAS already handed the cash over, quite a lot in some cases, so they have every right to know what's working and what is not.

There were only 2 days between the test by streamers and the test by owners...
It is more an error of communication from the marketing dpt than a will to hide anything.

 

[Agony_Aunt]

I haven't followed closely this story. But if those streamers where in PTU with evocati, they should have signed the same NDA relative to bugs as the evocati.

Indeed, so anything they find that is blocked by NDA shouldn't be talked about, so the question remains, why give them to streamers, especially when Zyloh talks about enabling streamers to get the info out before leakers???

You're contradicting what Zyloh said.

Respecting an NDA's company doesn't mean you are paid by this company.

I never said otherwise. That wasn't my point.

 

[Agony_Aunt]

There were only 2 days between the test by streamers and the test by owners...
It is more an error of communication from the marketing dpt than a will to hide anything.

That doesn't seem relevant to the point and i'm not sure why you see any error of communication here. CIG said they were giving to streamers first and they did that. Where is the error in communication?

 

[Darkfyre99]

Where is the error in communication?

Being honest with their communications for a change, would be my guess.

 

[MTBFritz]

Not yet no, bets are on which will come first, the roadmap, the game itself, some new kind of mutant human or the next Great Extinction event.

Hopefully its more fun here although the best posts from both Spectrum and Reddit are also stolen and posted so I don't even need to be on either

BTW Elite is free somewhere for a week if you aint got it yet.

This stinks like a freefly event... why is frontier so blatantly stealing ideas from CIG?

 

[Firkrayt]

In other news, is it really true that SC will have unicorn cavalry to help players fight sand worms?

You got it all wrong. There will be corn cavalry to help players flight sandworms!

 

[govny]

Pre-release is not alpha/beta.
Generally, streamers with special acces to alpha/beta sign an NDA and have to comply to certain rules edicted by the company. Not showing bugs of a game in development is a rather common clause.

can you tell me some games that are streamed during alpha stage?
asking for a friend.

 

[LittleAnt]

CIG said they were giving to streamers first and they did that. Where is the error in communication?

Before giving access to streamers, they should have said to owners they will have access to the MSR sunday .

 

[Navigare Necesse Est]

That's not the issue at hand. You were comparing apples and oranges, mainly, publishers who are taking a financial risk, vs. CI, who burden the customers with the risk of failure and forfeiture of funds . . . such as the ridiculous "pledge," which makes it sound like something you do for free, instead of calling it what it is: a business transaction.

That's my primary beef. The customer HAS already handed the cash over, quite a lot in some cases, so they have every right to know what's working and what is not. That's totally different from future buyers of, say, Cyberpunk 2077. No money has exchanged hands, certainly not to the tune of thousands of dollars.

The customers have been misled. CI or whatever front thry use to avoid liabilities have delivered defective product or im case of Sq42 completely failed to deliver any product.
They even fail at pulling a roadmap from Tyler Nitpick's rear.

 

[Vetinari]

That's what the vast majority of streamers do for every game in alpha/beta... That's not only for CIG.

tbf most streamers are looking after their own pocket so will edit videos that dont stutter and run smoothly or they may lose viewers.

I didn't see any streamers or content creators doing anything of the sort in the case of AC Valhalla when they had early access to the pre release build...far from it.

true but that was a genuine early-access where the streamers expected the feedback to be seen and expected the game to come out shortly with the bugs fixed, this was the time to point it out to prevent it in the game.

SC is a different ball-game. None of that applies and so they have to try and hide the glitches, especially if they a one game streamer, as their revenue depends on it. If the game stops being funded they cant stream it and potentially lose their revenue as well as their dream. They are as trapped as the rest of them, some of them are shills and some of them are just so desperate that they get angry at dissent because deep down they know its a house of cards with no bottom layer and some are just deluded believers....and the rest

 

[LittleAnt]

can you tell me some games that are streamed during alpha stage?
asking for a friend.

For what I know, none. So ?
CIG promised a public access to the alpha, that's why they are streamers streaming alpha. Do you want them to pass the alpha to closed status ?

 

[Navigare Necesse Est]

For what I know, none. So ?
CIG promised a public access to the alpha, that's why they are streamers streaming alpha. Do you want them to pass the alpha to closed status ?

He asks how people can stream when they signed NDAs. They ä'd be in breachhz of contract.

 

[Vetinari]

An NDA could say 'no mention of X until Y date' or anything. Its barely legal and breaking it wouldn't lead to a criminal offence just a fine maybe, maybe no penalty at all, and it doest hold any legality if it us used to cover up a crime. Its largely honour based in reality and law. Ofc it could include streaming as a permissable activity, why wouldnt it?

CIG would create an NDA that totally abused any honour and gave them all the power all the time. They may include that no buggy videos be produced, that all must be edited to show a smooth running game - they could put anything they want in. Having seen the legal contracts they have created for people with power and legal recourse (CryEngine for one) I can only guess at the semi-legal ones they created for people with no power.

 

[Tippis]

Most open development ever.

 

[Navigare Necesse Est]

Most open development ever.

Where is the money gone?

 

[Craith]

Where is the money gone?

look, jpegs of good looking ships!
handwave
Buy an Idris!

 

[Agony_Aunt]

Before giving access to streamers, they should have said to owners they will have access to the MSR sunday .

Ah, that would have helped. However, people are generally not complaining about getting it 2 days later, but that streamers, who may not even own it, get access before they do.