Newcomer / Intro I cant trade or mining

[Eriniy]

I found one of the LTD hot spots with the help of helpful sites (I dont trust this sites) on the internet.I loaded all the necessary stuff on my ship.In front I examined the rings with a probe.Then I entered the center of one of the red areas.Then I started scanning the asteroids and looked for the red ones.I used the pulse wave for this.I found one suitable asteroid and slowly approached.I stopped my ship and opened the cargo door.Then I sent the prospector limpet and collector limpets.I adjusted the power state of my ship and fired at the astroid constantly with the mine laser.Collecting limpets constantly brought something to my ship.In less than a minute I got the message that the refinery is full.There were many complicated material names and I clicked on the ones that appeared because the looper was full.So many different materials came out that I could combine.I guess I tried to put it together but I couldn't do anything.
I tried to trade ahead without doing all this.I wanted to trade between the two stations with what I found from sources(fake information,I checked 3 times on site) on the Internet.I bought the recommended goods to start moving goods between these stations within two hops distance.For some reason the other station did not want to take it when I went.So I examined it thoroughly, there was no mistake, I would buy it from the other station and sell it with a certain profit at the point I arrived.But for some reason, this route had been canceled until I arrived and I was losing 2 million credits.To do all this, I flew from the spot where I explored for four hours and suffered a total of 4 million losses.


Ok I have idea.I am newbie and cant do anyting in game except exploration.Who wana show me in game how to?Maybe I dont undertood someting or someting wrong with me.
I am in HIP 4351. I m iin open game and waiting for someone show me.

 

[Yingnei Gasua]

For mining : Press '1' to open your left panel and tab to the Contacts Tab. You can tell your limpets to IGNORE the cheap minerals.

e.g. if you want Gold, and the fragments are Silver and Silver/Gold and Gold. You tell the console to ignore Silver and the limpets will :

1. Collect only Silver/Gold and Gold fragments
2. Refine the Gold in the refinery only. The silver gets dumped with the space trash.

I think most people just mine for the expensive LTD/Painites and even relatively expensive stuff like platinum and osmium gets thrown away as cargo space is precious on a mining run.

For the trade: Cant comment since we dont know what you did.

Oh and if you are already mining LTDs so early, some salesman will probably pass you a fleet carrier brochure soon.

 

[Eriniy]

For mining : Press '1' to open your left panel and tab to the Contacts Tab. You can tell your limpets to IGNORE the cheap minerals.

e.g. if you want Gold, and the fragments are Silver and Silver/Gold and Gold. You tell the console to ignore Silver and the limpets will :

1. Collect only Silver/Gold and Gold fragments
2. Refine the Gold in the refinery only. The silver gets dumped with the space trash.

I think most people just mine for the expensive LTD/Painites and even relatively expensive stuff like platinum and osmium gets thrown away as cargo space is precious on a mining run.

For the trade: Cant comment since we dont know what you did.

Oh and if you are already mining LTDs so early, some salesman will probably pass you a fleet carrier brochure soon.

I give up.Everytime I tryed people tell me someting new.No one told me before or dont saw in youtube.Now I lerned I can comand limpets.I will make exploration.
I am in open game.No ones here.I am not asking anyting anymore.I will go solo play forever and stoping asking qestions.I sold all my mining eq.I am selling al my shp part etc .

 

[Tyres O'Flaherty]

You may find it an uphill struggle without asking questions. You can learn oodles of stuff.

Is that an AspX you are mining in? Once you have all the tools you need on board - refinery, collectors, prospectors etc. cargo space will have a certain limit and will fill up pretty quickly if you just collect everything.

If you are going after LTD's, ignore all the other elements the asteroid throws out - the method to do so is as @Yingnei Gasua describes above.

You may want to look at EDDB to see where the best price is for any given commodity but don't forget, there's a behind-the-scenes rebalance happening at the moment. Prices will be very volatile.

Ask your stuff here - it's the newcomers area andno question is a silly one.

Oh, and welcome! @@@07

 

[CMDR Deano The Imperial]

I give up.Everytime I tryed people tell me someting new.No one told me before or dont saw in youtube.Now I lerned I can comand limpets.I will make exploration.
I am in open game.No ones here.I am not asking anyting anymore.I will go solo play forever and stoping asking qestions.I sold all my mining eq.I am selling al my shp part etc .

It sounds like you've hit the Very Daunting and Steep Learning Curve. My advice to you would be to asked about anything and everything you don't understand about the game here on the forums and take in all the advice you can. Almost everyone here on the forums will help you out in anyway they can. Don't just play in solo alone and not ask anybody anything. You'll probably just get stuck and bored and go and play something easier.

And welcome commander o7

 

[Vetinari]

For trade forget the 3rd party tools, 'If you jump on the bandwagon, youve already missed the opportunity' (Rockefeller)

Use the in-game Compare function on the left. Set it to Galactive Average first and look for the green profits. Click on the Commodity and on the 'Buy' menu screen to the right is a list of stations nearby that will buy for a profit and roughly how much. Be careful with weapons and drugs, they may be legal where you are but not in the selling system.

 

[Maymo]

You possibly picked the worst possible week in the year so far to go mining or trading. Mining is being nerfed so all the players are panic selling their horde and driving down sales and the markets are all over the place due to FD altering prices...

I went trading briefly before work today as I was interested in seeing some of the changes. Even the in-game tools (which should be very accurate) were way off...

I eventually found a place to buy cheap from a surface port but I’ve no doubt it’ll have been run dry by the time I get home.

I recommend giving things a bit of time to stabilise before trying again.

 

[Northpin]

Ok I have idea.I am newbie and cant do anyting in game except exploration

Weird, as a newbie (and that happened twice) i started doing data delivery missions and small supply/delivery missions in my started Sidewinder
Then i accumulated some cash and i upgraded to a Cobra (for 2nd account it was a Hauler), then i did even more supply/delivery missions till i could afford an AspX then a Krait Mk2
Then i tried combat with the Krait and a SLF - and i failed miserably, then i persevered, then i failed less and less and eventually got the hang of it.

It was much later in the game when i went mining - when Engineers asked me to do it. And i sooo hated it. But i unlocked engineers
Then later on mining started to grow on me - then i mined more than 20 bn

I'd say that you are rushing it, but well... it's your game

GL and HF

 

[WhoCares]

For trade forget the 3rd party tools, 'If you jump on the bandwagon, youve already missed the opportunity' (Rockefeller)

Use the in-game Compare function on the left. Set it to Galactive Average first and look for the green profits. Click on the Commodity and on the 'Buy' menu screen to the right is a list of stations nearby that will buy for a profit and roughly how much. Be careful with weapons and drugs, they may be legal where you are but not in the selling system.

I might be wrong, but I think the internal tools only list markets that you already visited.
As for EDDB as external source, it's pretty good, but you need to pay attention on how old the market data is. There are system/faction states that have a direct influence on commodity prices. External sources like EDDB can only track/update those every time someone that syncs his data with external sites with specific tools docks at that station and opens the commodity market.
So if you open the Commodity page on EDDB to look for the best place to sell your mined goods, don't look just on the best price, but also on the date how old the data for that station is. And while you are at it, also look that the demand is significantly higher than the amount you want to sell - yeah, I can imagine that it is all a bit much for a new player...

 

[CMDR Deano The Imperial]

Maybe someone should nip out to HIP 4351 and let the OP know to come back to the forums before the Gankers get out there and totally kill their enthusiasm possibly causing a rage quit. I would but I'm on Xbox.

 

[Ashnak]

Can't jump into the game, got work to do. But let me start with trading (that is easier), and yes, I will use external tools. One at least - EDDB.

So, first of all, HIP 4351 is an uninhabited system - only carriers there, and trading between carriers is even more volatile than trading between stations. So go to EDDB/stations https://eddb.io/station, set HIP 4351 as reference system and hit "Find Stations".
Ok, not only is HIP 4351 uninhabited - it's also pretty lonely out there.

Let me play dirty here - I know (from experience) that systems in Outbreak will pay a lot of money for Basic Medicines, and these can be bought cheaply at High Tech/Boom systems. Let's check.
Go to EDDB and let it search for Outbreak systems near HIP 4351 (https://eddb.io/station, set Faction States to "Outbreak" and Reference System to HIP 4351). Now sort by "Prices Update" - anything that's older than the tick (which happened today at 14:11 IGT/UTC) is useless.
I see that Mansfield Orbiter in Epsilon Indi is on the list - and not too far from your position. Check the market data https://eddb.io/station/market/31 - jup. They're paying 4.4k for Basic Medicines at over 9 million demand.
Now we only have to find a source.
Go to Trading -> Find Commodity (top of the page) https://eddb.io/trade/commodity
Fill in the corresponding fields (Current System = Epsilon Indi, Commodity = Basic Medicines, Min Supply = 1000), hit "Find Stations" and again sort by update time.
Bingo - Gidzenko Terminal, Laval Hub and Berners-Lee Terminal have a decent supply, good price and are within single hop range for any decent ship.

So you now know that, for the next 20 hours or so (until the next tick), you can go to any of tzhese three stations, load up with basic medicines and sell them to the poor sods at Mansfield Orbiter for 4.200 credits/ton profit. And yes, that's about as good as local trading gets, unless you find a route where you can buy/sell gold (or other precious metals).

Let's see....

Go back to commodities-> find commodity and look for Gold near Epsilon Indi. Doesn't look too good - all recent buy prices are around 44 k. You can of course go and check the less recent low sell prices, but at less than 2000 tons supply and more than 10 hours old, the chances are slim. Sell prices are even worse - anything that's even remotely recent has a demand of 0.

But that's how it works. Of course, instead of checking the reports of other traders (i.e. EDDB), you can also go on your own and check the trade tools in the GalMap in the game, or find systems in specific states. Like real life trading (or in some other games), prices will depend on the local states.

 

[Vetinari]

I might be wrong, but I think the internal tools only list markets that you already visited.

Its both, you can only compare to Markets where you have visited the system in last 24hrs or you have bought the data.
Then theres the publicly available info, which includes the general 'Buy' screen comparison, this includes stations you cant compare to directly overall and you dont have the data for. You can also use the GalMap for specific Commodity Trade Routes to get an idea of wheres buying or selling without having any specific info but its more of a guess / estimate / risk how much profit you'll make.....but I like that aspect of Trade even if occasionally I cant sell it and have to find somewhere else or dump it for a better proposition immediately.

Theres vast profits on some minerals at the moment but you may have to know what youre doing or get caught out....but if you buy well below Galactic Average you should always fins a profit even if its selling at average and not above it.

 

[Ethaidan]

The mining issues sounds like a tiny refinery (few hoppers) and lack of enough cargo space. Refined material should end up in your cargo racks, freeing up your hoppers. As mentioned, put useless stuff on ignore to keep the hoppers available.

 

[Eriniy]

This is my last post that I will not post on the forums.I decided to play the game by playing it myself and exploring.All the videos about the game give either incomplete or incorrect information.Therefore, I will not watch youtube videos.I do not use plugins or helpful websites for the game.I was using it before, but deleted all shortcuts.I think people who play the game or have a little bit of computer knowledge are doing it for their own benefit and can control the trade.I will not use anything that is not directly added to the game from the company.You can say that we have been using it for years, it was not a problem, but I do not.I have tried many sites and their uses in different ways.I found that they were misleading, incomplete and directive.If I want to control trading in a game, my first step is to make a website about it.There are also a lot of misleading videos of youtubers.For example, there is someone who says that we can get anaconda for free.The one who said that we'll make a billion in an hour as soon as we start the game.If you want more players to play a game, you cannot do this.If you lie to me once or give false information, I will never believe you.I tell you this: There will be no video about the game on a channel with 18 million subscribers.

 

[CMDR Jago Kain]

You've only received honest advice in this forum.* The tools are "misleading" because the information they draw on is not 100% complete, and not 100% up to date. However they are useful, and it's worth taking the time to learn how to use EDDB.io effectively.

Trade prices are extremely volatile at the moment because Frontier are rolling out balance changes. The extent of these price changes is unprecedented, and possibly a little buggy. I hope you enjoy your exploration and I suggest you revisit trading in a few days/weeks when things have settled down.

If you think somebody created EDDB or Inara to seed false information and manipulate the markets you still have a lot to learn about how the game works.

I can't comment on the videos you've been watching because I'm sure I haven't seen them. Do be aware that whatever was the great money maker 6 months ago probably isn't any more. If you're watching old videos their tips are probably out of date.

*Ok, somebody made the 'free anaconda' joke recently but I forget which thread it was in and it was stamped on pretty quickly.

 

[Hawk of Battle]

This is my last post that I will not post on the forums.

But... you just did.

I decided to play the game by playing it myself and exploring.

That's fine, that's probably how you should be playing honestly, at least to begin with. Later on though, when you want very specific information, it's gona be a bit... tricky.

All the videos about the game give either incomplete or incorrect information.

Are they old and out of date? They're probably old and out of date. This is an MMO, MMOs tend to have pretty large changes over time, especially after 6 years, and Elite has had many (and soon even more).

Therefore, I will not watch youtube videos.

What, like, ever?

I do not use plugins or helpful websites for the game.I was using it before, but deleted all shortcuts.

Ok, I guess?

I think people who play the game or have a little bit of computer knowledge are doing it for their own benefit and can control the trade.

Hahaha, no. This just shows how completely you do not understand the game at all. There is nobody controlling the trade, because most of that trade is mining the same old rocks and selling it to npcs, which anyone can do to make billions easily. There is no grand conspiracy.

I will not use anything that is not directly added to the game from the company.

Well then, you're going to make things incredibly hard for yourself later on, but more power to you I guess? Duno how I'd play this game myself without stuff like Coriolis for ship builds, or EDDB for finding places to sell stuff and exploration would be pointless without EDSM to upload journals to, or the wiki, or... well, you get my drift. All of these things are highly useful external tools that have helped immensely.

You can say that we have been using it for years, it was not a problem, but I do not.I have tried many sites and their uses in different ways.I found that they were misleading, incomplete and directive.

Funny, cos I can find many that are highly accurate, up to date and indispensable. Weird that. Pray tell what sites you've been using and what you found misleading or incomplete, and perhaps we can point out where the problems lie?

If I want to control trading in a game, my first step is to make a website about it.

...or you just wanted to make life easier for yourself and thousands of other players, because the in-game trading tools suck massive balls?

There are also a lot of misleading videos of youtubers.

Again, did you check the dates? They probably were accurate once, but things have changed. Can you point us to these videos so we can confirm this?

For example, there is someone who says that we can get anaconda for free.

Ok, seriously, this one is just a joke. I know sarcasm maybe doesn't translate through the internet too well, but with all the reading you've apparently been doing on the game, it should have come up and been obvious enough pretty quickly. Or perhaps you just don't get the humor? Not sure that's our fault...

The one who said that we'll make a billion in an hour as soon as we start the game.

A few weeks ago, yeah, you probably could. Not this week though.

If you want more players to play a game, you cannot do this.

Who can't? The thousands of people playing the game, who make all sorts of content that makes everyone's enjoyment of the game easier to get to? And do what exactly? Give information and make tools that present that information for the masses, that maybe gets outdated 6 months from now? Erm.... Who exactly are you addressing here?

If you lie to me once or give false information, I will never believe you.

Well, no one here has, to the best of my knowledge. So we're all cool, right?

I tell you this: There will be no video about the game on a channel with 18 million subscribers.

Oh snap boys, we got a badass over here!! Wouldn't want to not be on the biggest up and coming hot sh*t yootoobs gamerz channel everz! Right!? How would the game ever survive?

... Who are you again?

 

[Tyres O'Flaherty]

Well, we tried to help you. Now I smell troll.

 

[Go'Gen]

Simple trading first (1985 Lave-Diso style) for a month, get the grip of everything, then try mining.

That's my help to new Cmdrs who come here after 1. Free ED and 2. (now obsolete) Earn 200mil/hr YouTube tutorial.
o7

 

[Max Bothin]

live your life like Isinona.

 

[Red Anders]

This is my last post that I will not post on the forums.I decided to play the game by playing it myself and exploring.All the videos about the game give either incomplete or incorrect information.Therefore, I will not watch youtube videos.I do not use plugins or helpful websites for the game.I was using it before, but deleted all shortcuts.I think people who play the game or have a little bit of computer knowledge are doing it for their own benefit and can control the trade.I will not use anything that is not directly added to the game from the company.You can say that we have been using it for years, it was not a problem, but I do not.I have tried many sites and their uses in different ways.I found that they were misleading, incomplete and directive.If I want to control trading in a game, my first step is to make a website about it.There are also a lot of misleading videos of youtubers.For example, there is someone who says that we can get anaconda for free.The one who said that we'll make a billion in an hour as soon as we start the game.If you want more players to play a game, you cannot do this.If you lie to me once or give false information, I will never believe you.I tell you this: There will be no video about the game on a channel with 18 million subscribers.

Fair enough but let me point one thing out for you.

The game is six years old and has changed hugely during that time. For many of the external sites and in particular youtube videos, it's not that they are 'lying' or even 'incomplete'. It's that things have changed since those videos were made. If you run a channel with 18 million subscribers, I assume you're fairly dedicated to producing content for whatever games you cover. Not everybody is - a lot of the Elite community might make a helpful video occasionally but they aren't necessarily full-time content creators, or just don't have time to constantly review and revise old content every time something changes in the game. Which is fairly often.

I wish you luck with the game and hope you can find some enjoyment in it. Back when I started playing 5 years ago it was simpler for sure and I've said before that I think I'd be a bit overwhelmed by the sheer amount of stuff in it today if I was coming to it as a completely new player.