Wing cargo missions need help.

Stelar 7

Stelar 7
In theory I'm in favor of all group activities. However the payout for wing cargo is completely off from the effort, even split 4 ways.

Its always better to ignore the wing missions and take single commander ones instead. Please multiply wing cargo mission payouts 5 or 10 times over current levels.
 

goemon

goemon
as payout depends on galactic average of the goods you deliver, mine or source, i'm not with you there.

many metal missions already hit the 50mio hardcap. in a wing of 4 that's a payout of 200 mio right now, for goods at around 50 mio price.

of course if you source clothing, this looks different - which could be addressed by making mission payouts relating to total tonnage, not galactic average of commodities.
 

Stelar 7

Stelar 7
goemon said:
as payout depends on galactic average of the goods you deliver, mine or source, i'm not with you there.

many metal missions already hit the 50mio hardcap. in a wing of 4 that's a payout of 200 mio right now, for goods at around 50 mio price.

of course if you source clothing, this looks different - which could be addressed by making mission payouts relating to total tonnage, not galactic average of commodities.
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Thats the thing though, I was getting 35 to 50 mil earlier moving less than 200 gold or platt. Same source was offering 16 to 20 mil to move multiple thousand units.

Even assuming a group of 4 the wing delivery missions pay appallingly less for considerably higher effort.
 

goemon

goemon
and with source you are refferring to the same faction? and a mission of the same rank? or did you have different reputation with different factions at the same station?
 

Darkman Returns

Darkman Returns
Last time I checked Gold and Palladium mission prices had not caught up with the raw materials price changes from a few weeks ago.

I was offered a wing supply mission recently which would actually have cost me tens of millions of credits to do.

The bigger issue with wing missions in my opinion is that they don’t scale with the number of people in your wing, so having less than four people in a wing is a definite disadvantage.
 

GroG79

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How about these and other missions:

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wing cargo missions need help!
 

Ian Doncaster

Ian Doncaster
GroG79 said:
How about these and other missions:
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Smuggling missions bizarrely pay far less than a legal mission for the same tonnage, distance and galactic average price would.

It's probably a bug, but not a "I could get ten confirmations on this" bug, so I guess it's staying.

Darkman Returns said:
Last time I checked Gold and Palladium mission prices had not caught up with the raw materials price changes from a few weeks ago.
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They have now - but the 50M reward cap on missions can nevertheless make the wing ones sometimes unprofitable for a single commander.

With the 50M cap being brought in years ago when a "typical" mission might pay 5-10M, so just a way to stop ridiculous edge cases getting too high, it made sense. Now that general combat, trade and passenger missions regularly pay at or near the cap through intent, it might be sensible for them to lift the cap a bit.
 

GroG79

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The point is @Ian Doncaster that all 'other' mission are now bad returns on investments. Haul 6000 ton for 3.5 million? Why? Deliver 50 ton for 300k. Why?

Not just smuggling. All cargo missions but the metal/mineral ones (that were buffed)
 

Jmanis

Jmanis
GroG79 said:
The point is @Ian Doncaster that all 'other' mission are now bad returns on investments. Haul 6000 ton for 3.5 million? Why? Deliver 50 ton for 300k. Why?

Not just smuggling. All cargo missions but the metal/mineral ones (that were buffed)
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In my case... I'd happily haul a board full of biowaste missions for influence/state effects, if that was what I was trying to achieve.

Truthfully though, payout primarily based on value of commodities needs to be ditched and replaced with payout primarily based on volume.
 
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Jmanis

Jmanis
I hate to say "So in EVE"... but in EVE, all player-delivery contracts paid based on volume and distance. I just went back to site of one of the most reputable player shipping services in the game. 845,000m^3 of goods (can only be carried by the biggest cargo freighter in the game valued =~ 1bn credits) delivered two jumps will pay a meagre 7m, with a collateral of up to 1.5 billion.

That is, you can set a contract for up to that much volume of goods, and the hauler pays you 1.5 billion credits in security to deliver it, and you return that 1.5bn on success and pay the hauler just 7m credits. Elite logic, you'd be looking for a payout of over 1.5 billion. Hauling simply doesn't work that way.

180t of biowaste and 180t of Palladium should pay roughly the same, maybe with a 10% surcharge on the Palladium delivery, because regardless of what the cargo is, shipping it is identical effort. Heck, at least you don't have to pay the collateral up front to take the Palladium delivery.

Note: Bear in mind EVE is a game where literal hundreds of billions, even trillions of credits bandy about, but a haul mission of that magnitude and payout is very much worth it.
 
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