Game Discussions Cyberpunk 2077 - official gameplay

Indeed. What I particularly enjoy is when the villains/antagonists get a dose of the same inclusivity that they pine for and then they freak out.

Case in point: https://www.wired.com/story/star-wars-squadrons-changing-face-fascism/

:D Best if they don't seen Giancarlo Esposito in The Mandalorian then, or even his fantastic portrayal of the villain Gus Fring in Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul. I found his role as Gus Fring so fantastic that I even got a "Los pollos hermanos" t-shirt. :)
 
I enjoyed that Polygon review. Not only the first part is just that, the first part, in a pretty lengthy analysis, it is the only one I've seen which touches on an interesting question: how do you communicate the dystopian nature of your work (book, movie, game) and convey the dystopia as a threat/warning as opposed to a model? Games like This War of Mine or Papers Please succeed at that. A movie like Starship Troopers doesn't quite manage it despite being brain-dead obvious because it overestimated part of its audience. The Monopoly game famously lost its entire message with changes to the rule, making it way too fun and enjoyable to destroy the opposition.

CP2077 will likely succeed at being a good game and feeding its developers and publishers, but as the highest profile game in the genre, it'd be neat if it was something more. That said, from a personal point-of-view, the Talsorian Cyberpunk setting is not the right one for that. It is abysmally shallow and more obsessed with the trappings of the genre than its message. Heck, even Shadowrun and its fantasy elements feels more meaningful with the manifestations of environmental damage.
 
From what I'm reading so far, most of the 'reviewers' seem unnaturally obsessed with how their particular or preferred sexual gender or orientation is represented. Wouldn't it be refreshing to read a review from a gamer who just plays games without fretting over or implying real world issues whilst trying to find a deeper hidden political agenda buried inside a computer game... :rolleyes:
That's how you separate so called "journos" from actual journalists. If you are triggered by it (I'm training myself to ignore it) steer clear of sites like kotaku, polygon and rockpapershotgun - they were the worst offenders with the fabricated "trans poster" in first or second video... Which the Cyberpunk 2077 art director Kasia Redesiuk - who designed the poster herself, explained to those morons in polite words. Or when rockpapershotgun tried to take offence for the fictional animal gang and Mike Pondsmith himself took to reddit to tell that they are not in a place to do it... Strange times indeed.

Also, INSTANT REFUND if there is no identifying as Attack Helicopter!!!!11111
https://i1.jbzd.com.pl/contents/2020/12/ZzzWaJMB0CQA8AtSc8rBxmf274CIorU5.mp4
... seriously when did we get so ?

the version that is being distributed to all (including Mr Lucky Steelbook owner) will be the same as that months old versions that is on the DVDs.
This is incorrect, that what will arrive in the post is only a GoG code with fancy pants packaging :) All PC retail copies (in Poland at least, IDK about other countries) will contain GOG code.
 
I enjoyed that Polygon review. Not only the first part is just that, the first part, in a pretty lengthy analysis, it is the only one I've seen which touches on an interesting question: how do you communicate the dystopian nature of your work (book, movie, game) and convey the dystopia as a threat/warning as opposed to a model? Games like This War of Mine or Papers Please succeed at that. A movie like Starship Troopers doesn't quite manage it despite being brain-dead obvious because it overestimated part of its audience. The Monopoly game famously lost its entire message with changes to the rule, making it way too fun and enjoyable to destroy the opposition.

CP2077 will likely succeed at being a good game and feeding its developers and publishers, but as the highest profile game in the genre, it'd be neat if it was something more. That said, from a personal point-of-view, the Talsorian Cyberpunk setting is not the right one for that. It is abysmally shallow and more obsessed with the trappings of the genre than its message. Heck, even Shadowrun and its fantasy elements feels more meaningful with the manifestations of environmental damage.

The tabletop succeeded presenting a critical (pre)view on corporate interests overriding public interest and governments. That was its main thing I perceived when we played like 2 decades ago. Of course it always depends on the narrator (GM) too, but corporate rise to power was a pretty common theme at that time also in fiction movie and literature.
The point is valid though, in video games the game itself take on the role of narrator and once it's written it pretty much narrates its story fixed. Is the format of the game optimal for dystopian depiction or would other genres be more adequate?
 
That's how you separate so called "journos" from actual journalists. If you are triggered by it (I'm training myself to ignore it) steer clear of sites like kotaku, polygon and rockpapershotgun - they were the worst offenders with the fabricated "trans poster" in first or second video... Which the Cyberpunk 2077 art director Kasia Redesiuk - who designed the poster herself, explained to those morons in polite words. Or when rockpapershotgun tried to take offence for the fictional animal gang and Mike Pondsmith himself took to reddit to tell that they are not in a place to do it... Strange times indeed.

Also, INSTANT REFUND if there is no identifying as Attack Helicopter!!!!11111
https://i1.jbzd.com.pl/contents/2020/12/ZzzWaJMB0CQA8AtSc8rBxmf274CIorU5.mp4
... seriously when did we get so ?


This is incorrect, that what will arrive in the post is only a GoG code with fancy pants packaging :) All PC retail copies (in Poland at least, IDK about other countries) will contain GOG code.

Indeed, I anticipate the RockPaperShotgun review to be full of indignation over any issues they have with how the game is presented. Especially since they were singled out rightly for correction by Pondsmith recently.

That place is so utterly upstandingly woke it could advertise itself as Awareness Viagra".
 
As a person pushing 50 I'm also a bit confused by the way the world is changing, but I think it really is changing (judging by the audience at gigs I was going to before the lockdown!) and it isn't just the attitudes of "right on" websites we might disagree with.

When the original ELITE came out when I was 12, I'm glad it wasn't aimed at 50 year-olds.

There's also a huge divide between social media "opinions", and people generally.

Also people on an internet forum vs people generally.

I wouldn't say the Frontier forums are the last bastion of considerate genteel maturity!
 
There's also a huge divide between social media "opinions", and people generally.

Game Informer put out an article with some tips & tricks for people who want to play CP77 but are at risk for epileptic seizures. So of course the 'OMG STOP CRYING YOU WOKE STUPID SJW' crowd has been bombarding the author with epilepsy-inducing videos/animations. That'll teach her not to inform others of her experience and offering suggestions for others on how to deal with it.
 
But does that really happen though? Here is the article the first video showed on the thumbnail:

It is long, but what it basically boils down to is this:"Hi, I am a trans person and fan of the cyberpunk genre, and this is my view on CP77. While it does do a bunch of things of the genre right, and the city itself looks stunning and is great to walk around it, I am disappointed about how trans people are depicted in this game. The game is also decidedly less revolutionary when it comes to envisioning the future as one would expect in this genre. As this is of great personal importance to me, this game is not as fun to me as I hoped it would be."

Her final conclusion is:



At no point is she demaning a boycot, saying people should be fired or being outraged in any other way. She simply explains what is important to her in a cyberpunk game, why that is so, how this specific game is and what she thinks of it. It is an individual opinion about a computer game, eloquently written. Does this mean she 'HATES the game'? Or that she is 'CRYING'? Puh-lease.

And predictably you end up with a bunch of dudes who get their panties in a twist because of the unspeakable horror of someone, somewhere having the nerve to voice a different opinion about a computer game based on different interests and preferences. And as a straight white middleclass dude my perspective is indeed different from hers, and the impact of trans representation is going to be virtually non-existent to my enjoyment of the game. In other words: I may not have the same opinion as her about this game. So what. Heck, this was so far the only review that added a perspective beyond the endlessly repeated 'game looks rad, rather traditional gameplay though, and bugs galore.' that is pretty much every other review.

Fortunately, for the people who are CRYING about this and HATE her review, some good news: they can increase the size of their junk in the game, so at least in Night City they wont have to drag their small willy energy around. :p
Stamping a public review not only by stating their gender preferences but using it to base an opinion on a computer game is what the issue is...

I don't care in the slightest what their gender identity or sexual preferences are and why should I?...That's decidedly their own private concern and for my mind, should remain so. This recent trend of bringing real world personal issues and sexual politics to direct attention to it as a basis to form public reviews rather than focus on what they are being paid for ...it's attention seeking, not journalism. I've never, at any point in my life, flavoured my opinion on anyone based on colour, race, religious beliefs, sexual preferences or gender either in a work or social environment...but that's not really the issue now, is it? The point in case was to publish a review on a computer game...not examine my tolerance levels.
 
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Stamping a public review not only by stating their gender preferences but using it to base an opinion on a computer game is what the issue is...

I don't care in the slightest what their gender identity or sexual preferences are and why should I?...That's decidedly their own private concern and for my mind, should remain so. This recent fashion of bringing real world personal issues and sexual politics to direct attention to it rather than focus on what they are being paid for ...it's attention seeking, not journalism.

Fair. But in this case at least (I read it), the author clearly stated right from the start what her perspective was, and what she was looking for in the game & why.

The rest of the review isn't half bad actually.

You can ignore her opinion on it as you see fit - all "reviews" are nothing but personal opinion from the reviewers' perspective & I generally ignore all of them. She's just being a bit more upfront about where her perspective lies with this. 🤷‍♀️
 
Stamping a public review not only by stating their gender preferences but using it to base an opinion on a computer game is what the issue is...

I don't care in the slightest what their gender identity or sexual preferences are and why should I?...That's decidedly their own private concern and for my mind, should remain so. This recent fashion of bringing real world personal issues and sexual politics to direct attention to it rather than focus on what they are being paid for ...it's attention seeking, not journalism.

Maybe I am missing something, but who are you to determine what other people should base their opinion on? That person is being paid to say what she thinks of the game and why. You may then agree or disagree, as you please. If you think any reviewer is using criteria irrelevant to you, you can ignore their reviews. That's all there is to it.

Also, never heard anyone who is complaining about this complain when straight dudes were arguing wether women in Bioware games were hot enough and such stuff.

"I don't care if people are different, as long as they shut up about it and I am never confronted with it."

Sorry mate, that ship sailed and ain't coming back this century. Polygon is probably not the right outlet for you, as they have been taking such perspectives for years. No problem, plenty of other sites that might suit your perspectives better. (y)
 
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Maybe I am missing something, but who are you to determine what other people should base their opinion on? That person is being paid to say what she thinks of the game and why. You may then agree or disagree, as you please. If you think any reviewer is using criteria irrelevant to you, you can ignore their reviews. That's all there is to it.

Also, never heard anyone who is complaining about this complain when straight dudes were arguing wether women in Bioware games were hot enough and such stuff.

"I don't care if people are different, as long as they shut up about it and I am never confronted with it."

Sorry mate, that ship sailed and ain't coming back this century. Polygon is probably not the right outlet for you, as they have been taking such perspectives for years. No problem, plenty of other sites that might suit your perspectives better. (y)
You're making a whole load of presumptions there...not only about my personal opinions but also to flavour your own ;)
 
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As for CP 2077 being full of bugs and issues on release...the Witcher 3 was similarly beset by them on it's release. It took a few patches to iron most of them out but CDPR eventually put it all to rights...as I suspect will be exactly the case with Cyberpunk. Anyone buying into the game hoping naively for a smooth bug free gaming experience is up for a huge disappointment...it'll be full of janky physics, clunky and unresponsive UI, misbehaving Ai and NPC's with a fair share of graphics glitches and poorish performance to boot.

One of the mainstream reviewers, I think it was for IGN, made a comment I agreed with wholeheartedly, he said he felt slightly jealous of the people who will pick up Cyberpunk 6 months from now for the first time when all the bugs he was experiencing in the version he was reviewing are no longer an issue.

From a personal perspective, I played through the mass of early issues with the Witcher 3 ignoring as best I could the ones I did find...and there were many...but I still felt totally immersed and engaged in the world they created despite them. I don't feel it effected my opinion or enjoyment of the game then, it certainly doesn't now. Every patch from CDPR introduced new things or improved some feature of the game that might have been lacking, they remodelled the UI completely...rebuilt the initially clunky inventory system and added free DLC along the way as well as fixing the bugs...as CDPR have rightly earned a reputation for doing so.

Due to my experiences with the Witcher series more than anything else...I'll give them a free pass on the early issues and bugs I'll discover in Cyberpunk. Like most other people, I'll probably be too busy wandering around the gameworld they've created just gawping and taking it all in :)
 
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