So, about these Sirius Corporation / "Marlinist Reservation" CG's, should imperials help?

[pnellesen]

Imperials? Federation?
I'm just in it for the credits.
(Oooh, and the scintillating CG System Chat!)

 

[GraphiteGB]

With the combat CG you can get to kill a lot of Fed corvettes for the bounties from mission boards so you will be cleaning the systems of the feds ships...

 

[[VR] Bulbulunufus]

Totally destroy them. Wipe them out. We need Mk2 Imperial Ships with decent thrusters for maximum manouvreability for FAOFF flying we cannot be outclassed by our enemies.

There's a reason every other fed owns a cutter, and why some top PvPers use clippers and couriers. I think you have to look elsewhere for why you were outclassed.

 

[VR Jay Le Chardon]

There's a reason every other fed owns a cutter, and why some top PvPers use clippers and couriers. I think you have to look elsewhere for why you were outclassed.

Funny that, I often use a corvette, and a lot of imperial do.

 

[Chazzie]

Well the senate approved helping them so yes, as an imperial pilot I’ll help them.

However, should they turn on the Empire again, I’ll also happily attend an imperial battle group and blast them all back into the Stone Age.

Now, back to basking!

 

[MishaTX]

As an Imperial I am helping, I want the peaceful marlinests to regain honour and have a true home, while I also want the NMLA to be identified and returned to the Empire.

Quite honorable, I agree, but as to the last part, best of luck with that. Sorting the wheat from the chaff is never half as easy as the powers that be trying to sell the plan to you make it look.

The fleas will always follow the dog, and the dog bears no guilt in this. Doesn't change the fact that the fleas are still there, though.

I fully expect the Marlinists' new "refuge" to be as infested with the terrorist NMLA as their old systems were. On the other hand, moving their nest out of Federal space does make it easier to hunt down the fleas without sparking another galactic war.

A pox on all of their houses.

 

[akey_uk]

Quite honorable, I agree, but as to the last part, best of luck with that. Sorting the wheat from the chaff is never half as easy as the powers that be trying to sell the plan to you make it look.

The fleas will always follow the dog, and the dog bears no guilt in this. Doesn't change the fact that the fleas are still there, though.

I fully expect the Marlinists' new "refuge" to be as infested with the terrorist NMLA as their old systems were. On the other hand, moving their nest out of Federal space does make it easier to hunt down the fleas without sparking another galactic war.

A pox on all of their houses.

Very eloquently put sir, and I wholeheartedly agree on all points.

o7

 

[Space Hollow]

I'm an Imperial and I'm not helping.
That's also why I missed out on that dual engineered missile rack.

 

[MishaTX]

That's also why I missed out on that dual engineered missile rack.

I missed out on that one because I was on the way to Colonia at the time and couldn't be ARXed to turn around for it and because it was and is crap, but most because it was and is crap.

There's not a single thing I can think of that I wouldn't rather put in that slot than that piece of junk that everybody got so worked up about. Heck, if I could put an SCA in a hardpoint, I'd sooner do that than fit a missile rack whose only advantage over what I can already make in quantity myself is a slight weight reduction, which means absolutely doo-da in a ship meant for combat (which is the only reason I'd even bother with a missile rack).

But hey, horses for courses.

 

[VR Jay Le Chardon]

I think one of the things that went wrong with that missile rack is that as a result of the weight reduction on it, it had the integrity of a fabergé egg...

...Having said that, it gave me ideas, I'm going to play with high capacity dumbfire missiles on an iEagle for ground pounding in Odyssey's "sphere of combat".

 

[Vasious]

I hear you, and as always, you make a very wise point. But it is also true that they elected to run from the IISS, rather than communicate and operate with them. The marlinists were more forthcoming with NMLA suspects and much more cooperative to the federal authorities than they were to the Emperor's own security agency. In some respects, it seems like they have turned their back on the empire and nailed their colours to a different mast. I guess there is the possibility my judgement may be clouded as I probably still feel anger at the betrayal of Imperial citizens bombing Imperial starports.

To borrow from Commander Jeffrey Sinclair
The Guilty run because they don't want to get caught
The Innocent run because they don't want to be blamed for something they haven't done.

The response from Imperial Authorities has been swift, brutal, and without any consideration for nuance or scope.

Imperial Army troops have replaced local security forces, and potential NMLA sympathisers are being arrested for interrogation
There has been Military strikes carried out against whole factions under the premise there were any small number of NMLA in their ranks.
It took a defeat in Eurybia to have the IISS accept a cooperative sit down as opposed to an interrogation.
And finally the Marlinists systems were blocked before they fled.

One could understand why they might not felt they could cooperate with the IISS, when the furore for revenge might blind any given IISS operative to the potential that not all Marlinists are NMLA.

Take the forum posts found in the other threads, condemning all the Marlinists, guilty by association, and a capital punishment was all that was fitting for them, to possibly gauged the reaction the Marlinists might be facing even from the expected professionalism of the IISS.

How many would become forced delatores lets it show their own gulty, real or not.

The Federal Security Service, on the other hand, would be a cooler head, detached from the collective grief of the Empire, and thus might be trusted to at least listen to the Marlinists before condemning them.

With all that said, one too, could wonder if from the Marlinists point of view, the Empire had already torn down their colours, before they fled.

Any safe harbour in a storm.

 

[VR Jay Le Chardon]

To borrow from Commander Jeffrey Sinclair
The Guilty run because they don't want to get caught
The Innocent run because they don't want to be blamed for something they haven't done.

The response from Imperial Authorities has been swift, brutal, and without any consideration for nuance or scope.

Imperial Army troops have replaced local security forces, and potential NMLA sympathisers are being arrested for interrogation
There has been Military strikes carried out against whole factions under the premise there were any small number of NMLA in their ranks.
It took a defeat in Eurybia to have the IISS accept a cooperative sit down as opposed to an interrogation.
And finally the Marlinists systems were blocked before they fled.

One could understand why they might not felt they could cooperate with the IISS, when the furore for revenge might blind any given IISS operative to the potential that not all Marlinists are NMLA.

Take the forum posts found in the other threads, condemning all the Marlinists, guilty by association, and a capital punishment was all that was fitting for them, to possibly gauged the reaction the Marlinists might be facing even from the expected professionalism of the IISS.

How many would become forced delators lets it show their own gulty, real or not.

The Federal Security Service, on the other hand, would be a cooler head, detached from the collective grief of the Empire, and thus might be trusted to at least listen to the Marlinists before condemning them.

With all that said, one too, could wonder if from the Marlinists point of view, the Empire had already torn down their colours, before they fled.

Any safe harbour in a storm.

I always enjoy debating with you, you have a fantastic mind and an interesting way of applying your intellect, which often pours oil from unexpected sources on troubled waters, and often is it that these debates teach me something, in this case, Delators are a Roman concept I was previously unfamiliar with

Ever since the first attack, I've been aware that "Nuke them from orbit" was not the correct response, however "fitting" it may have seemed. But I'm also acutley aware we are heading into mirky waters where there is no clear "right" path, as @MishaTX said "the flees always follow the dog, but the dog bears no guilt in this", and so there will always be NLMA sympathisers / supporters / activists in the general Marlinist population. Dealing with insurgents amidst a civilian population is something that as of the time of writing, there has been no clearly defined winning military strategy for, the closest we have to that is the British Army's special forces Hearts and Minds campaigns, which comprise carrot and stick. IISS's approach only brought the latter to the table, whereas the Federal "adoption" only brought the former to the table, maybe the Sirius approach has enough f both Carrot and Stick to assuage the general populace and appease them whilst also offering sufficiently draconian punishments to the militants as to deter others from following in their footsteps, creating the ideal solution to the Marlinist problem?

But my concern remains, that however happy the Marlinists are with the outcome of this CG and their new enclave, they remain the prime candidate for false flagging in manoeuvres against both the Empire and the federation, and Neo-Marlinism could become the banner under which the first shots of a galactic war are fired... And I think that is one genie that not even all the immense resources of Sirius Corp can push back in the bottle.

 

[Jacobis9000]

You do realise Sirius forces fly Gutamaya?

There's a reason every other fed owns a cutter, and why some top PvPers use clippers and couriers. I think you have to look elsewhere for why you were outclassed.

Hell I can’t even do the combat training. I’ve just been informed that the imperial ships lack manoeuvrability FAoff for different reasons.