Will this build stand against a Basilisk?

[galahad2069]

No, you started by saying "just reverski". Then you changed your story to "just go in and kill heart, no skill required". You now seem to want to add that damage avoidance skills are necessary. Please stop moving the goal posts.

I'm not moving the goalposts. I mentioned reverski because that's literally what you are doing like 90% of the time to stay out of the Thargoid's way, while you are waiting for its shields to decay. (Unless you want to work down its shield yourself, which is a waste of heatsinks IMO).

And yes, ofc you need to be able to hit the Thargoid with rails, sorry if that's seriously called a skill (considering that the target is the size of, idk, a very large building or something).

But I thought that was given in the case of the OP who, according to himself, was totally capable of killing a Cyclops.

The Basilisk is only a couple more shots, yes it's stronger and sturdier, but not by a long shot.

 

[Deleted member 182079]

Chieftain firepower is just fine against Basilisk (and any other interceptor for that matter). What you most likely need to work with if you are struggling to exert and/or take out the heart is either your rate of fire or your distancing. Gauss damage really suffers from falloff outside of the optimal 1.5km range and once you go beyond 2.25km you do less than half the dps that you could be doing.

That could well be it - and I remember now another thing that's different between the two Interceptors is the Basilisk is a slippery one as in often I struggle to keep up, whereas the Cyclops always (mostly) sticks to the same slow routine and doesn't try to do a runner, and even if, at a much slower pace.

 

[Several Puffins]

And yes, ofc you need to be able to hit the Thargoid with rails, sorry if that's seriously called a skill

So I can just shoot it at 3k forever while drifting backwards and I will win?

Come on, you need to hit it, while keeping close enough to do reasonable damage, running cool enough to not get wrecked, and then kill a (much smaller) heart before it heals up- it's not like learning learning QCD or something but you do actually have to learn and practice it, because it's, well, a skill.

 

[[VR] Orodruin]

I'm not moving the goalposts.

Yes you are, even if unwittingly. Your original post seemed to suggest that all you needed to do was to reverski and that no other skill was necessary. I quote:

True - actually, skill is a pretty insignificant factor in killing Basiliks. You can just reverski all day, what kind of skill does it take?

And yes, ofc you need to be able to hit the Thargoid with rails, sorry if that's seriously called a skill (considering that the target is the size of, idk, a very large building or something).

While the interceptor is large, the heart hitbox is much smaller and, yes, many people struggle to hit it.

The Basilisk is only a couple more shots, yes it's stronger and sturdier, but not by a long shot.

Again, many AXI commanders having progressed through the ranks would disagree with you here. The Basilisk is not only faster and sturdier, it also has a significantly higher damage output that you must battle through or avoid while taking longer attack runs than on a Cyclops. On a Cyclops you don't really need to care about anything, you can just steamroll it into oblivion.

 

[[VR] Orodruin]

That could well be it - and I remember now another thing that's different between the two Interceptors is the Basilisk is a slippery one as in often I struggle to keep up, whereas the Cyclops always (mostly) sticks to the same slow routine and doesn't try to do a runner, and even if, at a much slower pace.

The Basilisk reload phase is significantly longer than the one of the Cyclops, yes. It will eventually come back to you but unless you at least somewhat keep the damage up it is going to generate a significant amount of health during that phase.

 

[Firehawk894]

True - actually, skill is a pretty insignificant factor in killing Basiliks. You can just reverski all day, what kind of skill does it take? It's only a matter of equipment, tactics, and a crapload of materials for heatsinks and flak ammo.

Spoken like someone who has no experience in fighting Basilisks... or anything higher than a Cyclops for that matter

 

[Firehawk894]

I'm not so sure. A few have taken a basillisk with a sidewinder....so I think it's also likley that in the right hands if one can kill a cyclops (even with a T-9) then they can find a way to do it with the same ship against a basilisk. May take a lot of tries though. A no shield cold build in the right flight assist off hands can be amzing thing to watch against the Thargoids.

Side note...I actually managed to kill a Basillisk with my Asp Exploerer using PA's (no Ax Weapons) but it was a glitch. One of the swarm got stuck re-entering so the goid was helpless. Took a while though even then

Yeah no.
You cannot kill Interceptors with regular human weapons, it is literally not possible unless you have thousands of commanders in the instance.
Thargoids have a 99.97% Resistance to all non-AX weapons, couple that with their regeneration and you're not killing it with Plasma Accelerators

 

[Firehawk894]

I'm not moving the goalposts. I mentioned reverski because that's literally what you are doing like 90% of the time to stay out of the Thargoid's way, while you are waiting for its shields to decay. (Unless you want to work down its shield yourself, which is a waste of heatsinks IMO).

And yes, ofc you need to be able to hit the Thargoid with rails, sorry if that's seriously called a skill (considering that the target is the size of, idk, a very large building or something).

But I thought that was given in the case of the OP who, according to himself, was totally capable of killing a Cyclops.

The Basilisk is only a couple more shots, yes it's stronger and sturdier, but not by a long shot.

Your first post was "Literally only reverski and you win"
Then you changed your story to "Well you need to facetank it as well"
Then you changed your story again to "Well you need to manage heat and avoid damage too"

 

[galahad2069]

Then you changed your story to "Well you need to facetank it as well"

Please use the quote function and don't just put quotation marks around something I never said.

 

[Mako The Grey]

Since you can kill a Basilisk in a Hauler (it has been done) it is clearly possible to do it in any ship as long as the loadout is appropriate. What you cannot do however is to assume that just because a particular loadout can kill a Cyclops, that it is necessarily capable of also killing a Basiliks, and certainly not when you also take the pilot into account.

I never indicated the same load-out. Just the same ship in the right hands with enough tries....if they can kill a cyclops with it they can eventually kill a Basilisk with it. After all, all you need is a stock sidewinder and 2 small Gauss Cannons. That said...I suspect it's also true that in the right hands....any ship with a specific load out (in the right hands with enough practiced) can also take a Basilisk). Only hard part will be finding the Right Hands

 

[Mako The Grey]

Yeah no.
You cannot kill Interceptors with regular human weapons, it is literally not possible unless you have thousands of commanders in the instance.
Thargoids have a 99.97% Resistance to all non-AX weapons, couple that with their regeneration and you're not killing it with Plasma Accelerators

You can....if the game glitches as it did in that case. Took a lot of shots and a whole lot of ammo sysnthisis. Didn't count for rank though

 

[[VR] Orodruin]

Only hard part will be finding the Right Hands

The right hands will typically be attached to people like Maligno, Katie, or Badracingdriver so relatively easy to find them ... you just need to convince them ....

 

[Biff Stryker]

Bickering aside, as a budding AX pilot like my bubble alt there is some good info in this thread. Thanks!

 

[galahad2069]

Spoken like someone who has no experience in fighting Basilisks... or anything higher than a Cyclops for that matter

I'm ready to admit that I have limited experience with Thargoids. They pretty much ceased to exist for me after it had become evident that normal weapons were not going to be able to damage them. I did some pewpew against them when the only weapons capable of damaging them were the AX missiles though.

I only decided to give them another chance when it came to my attention that the payouts have been raised. 24 or 40M for a single kill is not that bad after all when I'm about to do the monthly grind for rebuy money.

So I left San Tu, bit the bullet and did the bloody Guardian grind for the Gauss and the shard cannons, bought them along with a flak in Shin, then came to the Pleiades and had my Viper IV, Vulture, FAS and the biweave Ferdie transferred here.

I only made a grand total of 500M in Thargoid kills so far, mostly Basilisks since Cyclops kills are relatively slow money, Medusas take way too many heatsinks and other mats to kill for my budget (maybe I'm not doing it efficiently enough, idk) and Hydras are apparently missing (but I wasn't even specifically looking for them after the Medusa).

In short, my limited experience suggests that Basilisks are pretty easy (maybe it will change later, idk, but I doubt it).

So @OP, go ahead, kill them all, you can surely do it.

 

[Naddesh]

I'm ready to admit that I have limited experience with Thargoids.

I love that you contradict people who have thousands of hours in AX and solo Hydras under their belt then

 

[galahad2069]

I love that you contradict people who have thousands of hours in AX and solo Hydras under their belt then

You mean that once I've killed a Hydra I'll suddenly begin to think that Basilisks are hard?

 

[Naddesh]

Ehh, care to share a vid? Maybe you are just that good that Basis are effortless for you. Majority of ED playerbase can't progress past Clops.

Some of us think Hydra is easy. That doesn't change the fact that from 8000 people on the discord below 100 have soloed a Hydra.

 

[[VR] Orodruin]

You mean that once I've killed a Hydra I'll suddenly begin to think that Basilisks are hard?

None of us claimed that we currently find basilisks hard (nor medusas or hydras for that matter). However, we do recognize that people come in with different skills and that what some people find easy, others will struggle with. Our statements about basilisks should be viewed from the perspective of having seen hundreds of pilots that are new to AX come visit our discord and following their progress (or lack thereof). Many are stonewalled by the basilisk, which makes it objectively harder than clops.

 

[[VR] Orodruin]

Some of us think Hydra is easy. That doesn't change the fact that from 8000 people discord only barely above 100 people soloed a Hydra iirc.

Snake eater is easy. Prove me wrong!

 

[Naddesh]

Snake eater is easy. Prove me wrong!

Don't even p*ss me off That rank is so frustrating. For those not in the know: