I can't wait to see how those personnel shields hold up to a carpet bombing run in my gunship
After playing cyberunk, and watching the Odyssey reveal, I'm now concerned about Odyssey...
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Wow, I'm amazed at how much I actually missed in the trailer until I saw this video pointing out all the details
I haven't played Halo, but I did complete Infinite Warfare, which I think is comparable? And I've got to wonder why do you instantly assume I'm useless at shooters? I'm actually quite good at them, although I do not enjoy endless spawning hordes of bullet sponges, I prefer tactical gameplay. As such I tend not to do the online elements of FPS games, sticking to the campaign mode as I enjoy the story mode.
I agree, I also prefer tactical gameplay t the other types of shooter with endless hordes of enemies, each of who can take numerous shots.
I've just watched it, there were a few things I had missed. @02:35 buur shows what was 47 seconds into the trailer, with the player advancing on an NPC close range rapid fire of an assault rifle, and despite taking numerous hits, other than a splash of blood that disappears mid-air, there is no sign of the NPC taking any damage or suffering any consequences of their injuries. That's what I'm calling bullet spongey, being unphased by machine gun fire.Wow, I'm amazed at how much I actually missed in the trailer until I saw this video pointing out all the details
It's good isn't itWow, I'm amazed at how much I actually missed in the trailer until I saw this video pointing out all the details
You must be encountering very different NPC's in Cyberpunk, as the ones I encounter actually go down reasonably easy. Its only if I am overwhelmed with enemies that things get extremely difficult. Also, you are aware that CP2077 is an RPG, not an FPS?
No, it isn't comparable lol.
The reason I assumed you're not very good at shooters is because of your underlying post trying to find way to claim it's not a good idea to have an FPS module. Now you're also complaining about "bullet sponges", which would also suggest that your aiming is inconsistent. Games that test endurance in aiming often contain a considerably higher skill ceiling than games that are known as "twitch shooters", where the only thing that really matters is you being able to react quicker than your opponent. There's very little "aiming" required on these games since you can pre-fire as your aim moves over your target, and the 1 to 2 bullets that hit them insta-kill them.
Call of Duty, in all varieties, has always been a twitch-shooter.
With regards to tactical gameplay, Halo 2 and Halo 3 had the most tactical FPS gameplay around. They basically kick-started the whole "e-sports" genre of gaming for FPS games. Counterstrike was nowhere near it. Call of Duty was nowhere near it. The only comparable game to the size of Halo was probably League of Legends, or StarCraft, both in different genres... not to mention that Halo:CE is largely regarded as the "founding father" of the modern FPS genre.
And finally, your last comment about remaining largely off the online element of FPS games further suggests you're not as good at those games, thus you find yourself not enjoying yourself on these games (which is fine). All single-player campaigns on FPS games come with two things; Aim-assist and 1ms ping. Everything you do, occurs instantly, thus giving you the impression that you're significantly better than you are at FPS because there's no 20-100ms delay like in the multiplayer side, and there's often no aim-assist at all online (unless you're on a console).
Anyway, I never raised that up initially to simply discredit your ability in FPS games. I brought it up becase you, like many others, are complaining about an FPS module when you simply aren't very good at them, or enjoy playing them enough to be good at them. That's your personal choice, but Odyssey isn't just about your own personal choice, and saying an FPS module shouldn't be included purely because you won't enjoy it, isn't the grounds to remove an element of gameplay that thousands of players would enjoy playing.
Ultimately though... It's being brought in-line with Star Citizen essentially, which is ED's only main competitor. If ED already has everything SC intends to have, then ED get the money first and as a business, its a successful business model and business plan. I backed SC 2 years ago because they had what ED didn't have - the ability to walk about and immerse yourself in that environment. The gun play just adds to that, like it would GTA, or Red Dead Redemption, or Fallout... anything like that.
So, you are telling us that ED is being brought in-line with a game that has yet to exit alpha? Perhaps when SC releases as a retail game, then we could compare featrures? As it is SC is still virtually a tech demo and a series of roadmaps. (had it been a retail game, it would already be in my library, but it isn't - and until then, it will just be vapourware)
Essentially... yes.
SC released their FPS module quite some time ago now. The biggest attraction SC has over ED is space legs. The ability to walk around the space-ports and cities. The immersion you feel being just another Citizen in the galactic scale...
However, if you're wanting to be a criminal, you're going to need guns or weapons to add to that level of "if you don't give me your stuff, I'll kill you"... otherwise its just an empty threat, and there's no "Play how you want to play" aspect to it.
The same transfers over to ED:
If their whole idea is "Play how you want to play" then adding in methods of threating and killing other people (or NPCs) is exactly what's required. Just because its something that's included, doesn't mean you have to use it every single time you log in. I mean, I've racked up a lot of hours on ED now, and I've still only ever used 1 Black Market to this day. I certainly won't be using weapons in the FPS module to kill people and threaten players... if anything, I'd be looking to pretend to be a space cop myself, and stop those who are looking to do that to others in my presence.
I agree with the sentiment... But to be literal about it, until there is a retail (not alpha, beta or gamma - or any other Greek character) version of the game with whatever 'modules' integrated into it, comparing the 2 games is an exercise in futility because one is 'apples today', the other 'cake tomorrow' - should SC make a released version before I am too old to be interested in gaming (serious comment - many more years behind me than ahead) then I will buy and compare
I agree with the sentiment... But to be literal about it, until there is a retail (not alpha, beta or gamma - or any other Greek character) version of the game with whatever 'modules' integrated into it, comparing the 2 games is an exercise in futility because one is 'apples today', the other 'cake tomorrow' - should SC make a released version before I am too old to be interested in gaming (serious comment - many more years behind me than ahead) then I will buy and compare
It's wayyyy too buggy right now. But the base principle is there... It's fun to walk about and interact with stuff... but even the NPCs aren't coded to the point where you can really interact with them yet, they don't even know how to sit down, they just all stand on chairs and sofas lol.
Like I say, if ED comes out with a finished social element of being able to walk about your ship, walk around in space ports, walk around on planets... then I'm happy, anything on top of that (including an FPS module that allows for more diverse crime and justice) is a huge bonus and a positive.
I don't care if its just virtual - a good cyber rump is just as fine in BD.
Living the life of a battle dodging coward is an option!
To be or not to be a Dodger is the question
To be or not to be a Dodger is the question
But is someone who dodges potential death a coward? There is a nihilistic delusion in the willingness to 'do battle' when using stealth to preserve one's 'life' makes perfect sense... If 'death' in many game genres sent you back to the start...
"If 'death' in many game genres sent you back to the start..." I would have said "If death (in the game) invalidated your ability to even play the game, and even trying to buy another copy of the game still would not remove the block on you playing, considering you only get one chance at real life."
Sometimes I go in all guns blazing, most likely needlessly heavy-handed, but here are some jobs/gigs that I've done in CP2077 just using stealth, without firing a single shot, or only one or two shots to take out cameras. Last night I did one of Regina Jones gigs, rescue/extract a person from captivity in the tyger claws dojo, I only fired one shot to take out a camera as I knew the NPC I'd be rescuing wouldn't be savvy enough to time their movements to coincide with the camera being panned over the other way. But in the same play session I also did a job for padre, take out an old time "solo" in a bar, and I did everything short of nuke the place, killing everyone inside.
So yeah, stealth is an option, as is combat, but I think the real fun is to be had in picking your battles and deciding how you want to play it. It is this freedom that keeps me interested in CP2077 as were it only constant heavy bullet spongey* combat, it would have gotten old a long time ago.
*You cannot say that CP2077 isn't bullet spongey, last night in the bar for Padre, I lobbed 120 rounds from the Mk.31 HMG into an NPC, including numerous headshots, and they were still alive.
So yeah, stealth is an option, as is combat, but I think the real fun is to be had in picking your battles and deciding how you want to play it. It is this freedom that keeps me interested in CP2077 as were it only constant heavy bullet spongey* combat, it would have gotten old a long time ago.
*You cannot say that CP2077 isn't bullet spongey, last night in the bar for Padre, I lobbed 120 rounds from the Mk.31 HMG into an NPC, including numerous headshots, and they were still alive.
Lolwut? ED an rpg? Where did that come from?
I can and I do. CP2077 isnt bullet spongy.
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but... but.... think of all the Gun and Suit Cosmetics you can buy and do space Instagram and TikTok with !!1!
On a more serious note, this is what I'm closely watching myself.
After all, we'll mostly be interacting with NPCs - and if the space-borne NPCs are any guide, dumb bullet sponges randomly walking around and at best repeating 1-liners is all we might get indeed.
I personally don't think the on-foot Gameplay will be any deeper or more interesting than what we already got in space.
Very basic, shoot-em-up gameplay with forced looting of Mats for Engineering which will be optional but designed to be almost mandatory for success.
If the NPCs (incl. our own NPC Crews) provide more than 1980's-style 16bit era reactions and turkey shoot, I'd be positively surprised.
I don't expect it, though. NPC support in ELITE has always been decades behind modern Industry Standards of interaction and vastly neglected, I wouldn't know how that could suddenly change.
What I expect is mostly : Arcade.
On a more serious note, this is what I'm closely watching myself.
After all, we'll mostly be interacting with NPCs - and if the space-borne NPCs are any guide, dumb bullet sponges randomly walking around and at best repeating 1-liners is all we might get indeed.
I personally don't think the on-foot Gameplay will be any deeper or more interesting than what we already got in space.
Very basic, shoot-em-up gameplay with forced looting of Mats for Engineering which will be optional but designed to be almost mandatory for success.
If the NPCs (incl. our own NPC Crews) provide more than 1980's-style 16bit era reactions and turkey shoot, I'd be positively surprised.
I don't expect it, though. NPC support in ELITE has always been decades behind modern Industry Standards of interaction and vastly neglected, I wouldn't know how that could suddenly change.
What I expect is mostly : Arcade.
Any game where you "play a role" is an RPG now. You play as a commander, so it's an RPG. It's the crappiest definition ever.
Technically true, but playing an American-Italian plumber who's racing cars around a track, is not a roleplaying game.
I would define a roelplaying game as one where you start with a default, base character who through the course of the game, improves their stats (as defined by the game) and progresses to be a better, tougher, stronger character than they were when they started.
Elite Dangerous does fit that description, in my opinion.