Don't expect Ship Interiors in EDO
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Yeah but they’ve said that for VR too
I agree it’s a dangling phrase. I’d note it’s not a commitment to add them in EDO either though. (Or a statement that precludes them being in a future expansion, ultimately).
A question for the construct in the op, what happens if they had to cut significant features out of the release to make the shipping date?
Then the odds of later addition would be better. For sure.
But we don’t know if that’s the case. So for now the needle still points to ‘don’t expect' for me, given the other info.
Fair enough. Part B then would be, are ship interiors never intended / certain for the future? The fact they even mentioned it in public means they've registered how valuable the feature is, but that has a pretty low track record for follow through development. Can we come to a conclusion from a players point of view and move on? Making a point about not getting it is just a disappointment. Is that it?
My take currently is that they still want to do it. And my suspicion is that they still want to tackle some of the big gameplay possibilities, as they seem to be with stations / planets etc.
But to me all of that suggests: Not Soon
(I might be wrong, they might drop a purely cosmetic addition. They might have mad stuff in the wings. But I’m def filing ship interiors + EVA as future DLC for now)
I have about as much faith in Frontier to get all that done as I do in Chris Roberts, which is very little. You're not seeing the elephant in the room, which is its scope. We see what happens when games try to be a jack of all trades promising us the sky and everything above it. That train wreck CP 2077 is the most recent shining example of it. Don't be surprised if four years from now you are still left with Odyssey. You'll be lucky to even get ship interiors, much less landable earth like planets. And, keep in mind, that four years from now marks the ten year anniversary that this game was released. This is supposed to be a ten year project, so if they do plan on getting all that done, then they are WAY behind at this point.
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My take currently is that they still want to do it. And my suspicion is that they still want to tackle some of the big gameplay possibilities, as they seem to be with stations / planets etc.
But to me all of that suggests: Not Soon
(I might be wrong, they might drop a purely cosmetic addition. They might have mad stuff in the wings. But I’m def filing ship interiors + EVA as future DLC for now)
Thankfully, newsletter 29 says
- Walking around interiors and combative boarding of other ships
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Well we've got the basic landable planets in, and they're about to fulfil on 'you will be able to walk around the spaceport'. So that's at least 2% in
I totally agree that the scope is absurd. And that comparisons with SC only make FDev's plan look reasonable in a relative sense. (IE: FDev have kept the details relatively light, stopped their scope at that original mad splurge, haven't pre-sold anything utterly wilful like, say, a $3,000 80-crew capital ship before they've got past 50-player servers. And they're not doing anything as experimentally unwise as rendering their pre-alpha prototyping in glorious AAA graphics, and then re-doing it constantly.)
But yep. The scope is still almost as deranged.
At the end of the day the proof is in the pudding though. They're about to finally heave their second batch out of the oven.
Maybe they'll get to a third. Maybe they won't. Maybe this cake will be all burnt and full of sour grapes. Maybe it'll taste good.
Might as well see what happens
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A missed opportunity in my opinion. Just looking at how much money CIG makes from the sale of ships and ship interiors. People really do want the full ship experience.
Or if they really, REALLY need to do the fade-out/fade-back in, go to your back door, push button, fade out as it opens, fade back in with you in the airlock. That gives you the option to change your mind, turn, push the inner door button, fade-out/fade-in back on the bridge. OR push the outer door button, have it open and you walk out of your ship down the ramp / elevator. Other players should see you leave (or enter) your ship, rather than just fade out (and if you're going to fade out in front of other players, why not just add the Star Trek transporter sparkly effect???).
Yeah but they’ve said that for VR too
Right, two Odyssey features that won't be available at launch. You're implying it's a deception because the expansion will launch unfinished? This is FD we're talking about here.
If "not available at launch" means "will be part of another expansion" I'd be very surprised.
The tricky thing I see with a lot of this is that it would make things broadly speaking harder for the ship owner, so there'd be a major advantage to not having the "walk on your own ship" expansion.
e.g. the AFMU can repair any module in seconds, reboot/repair can keep you alive long enough to get back to a station in other circumstances, stations are basically everywhere (even in deep space, with FCs) ... why would anyone go EVA to repair their ship more than once?
e.g. currently our ships can't burst into flames, and there'd be a lot of shouting if the expansion meant that all ships could burst into flames, but you had to buy the expansion to put them out again / repel the boarders / etc.
Since they just quietly added an extra size 8 optional to the T-9 one day, probably not. Ship mass/volume ratios are also way out of line - the Sidewinder is one of the densest ships in the game, about ten times as dense as the Anaconda. So realistic maths is definitely not present there... fortunately for them, the lack of realism this time round gives them plenty of spare space to work with.
Cargo racks suggest it's eight times as big as a size 3. And of course we can deduce the minimum size of those from the cargo pods, which are roughly 2m x 1m x 1m
The T-9s optional internals are capable of holding 790t of cargo, or therefore needing about 1600 cubic metres, plus a bit more for the racks, controls, etc. That would only be at minimum a 12m x 12m x 12m space, which would easily fit within a T-9. (It'd easily fit inside an Asp, for that matter, and while you probably couldn't fit it inside a Viper it'd be close).
Great recap of the original plans (for the sake of who thinks that certain features don't belong to elite), and while that doesn't necessarily mean that they are still following it, yes it's still highly probable that ship interiors will come only on a future expansion associated with various interior and exterior zero g activities
This is the fun problem: automation and ships in general are designed around single players. If you tease away roles to multicrew players (other than gunnery) you are really going backwards in capability. For example I'd love a flight engineer role, where you intelligently allocate energy / repairs etc....but as you point out its done already now, and is 'the best' it can be.
You can do that already. Granted, its reverse engineering, but still
Just being able to stand up from the chair and walk round the cockpit would be enough to satisfy me in the medium term. I just want to look out the window from a different perspective.
Yes, I know you can do this with a bit of effort in VR but I don't have a headset and that sounds like all the more reason why it should be doable with minimal dev effort.
Yes, I know you can do this with a bit of effort in VR but I don't have a headset and that sounds like all the more reason why it should be doable with minimal dev effort.
You can do that already. Granted, its reverse engineering, but still
But it does not provide any advantage. FD saw that and thats why IMO you have the extra pip instead.
Yeah but do they want the CIG experience
(IE cosmetic interiors, with no real gameplay functionality, various technical issues, and only distant nebulous chat regarding Multicrew functionality)
I suspect getting a fuller package as a dedicated DLC would be a better experience. And would be more in line with the expansion system that they pre-sold with the LEP.