Isn't it time for some vital refinements to flawed ships?

Miko · Dec 31, 2020

Take the Clipper for example. It has terrible weapon convergence, which could be mitigated nicely if the two underside medium hardpoints were placed on the underside near the center undercarriage. Looking at the underside design, you can see the perfect spot for these, too. This would allow the Clipper to use railguns, fixed missiles and plasma more effectively.

The Corvette could do with having it's large moved up nearer the front of the underside, for improved engagement using gimballed weaponry.

I know there are many more examples, but back to the case of the Clipper, shouldn't this be changed in particular?

I just feel there are some obvious flaws in the hardpoint placement to some ships and this could be easily mitigated through moving the hardpoints to more suitable positions.

Bridgehouse · Dec 31, 2020

Yeah - Anaconda needs a few tons shaved off it’s mass..

Vedmo · Dec 31, 2020

Gutamaya design emphasizes form over function. A pleb wouldn't understand (I'm talking about myself).

Miko · Dec 31, 2020

A type-9 being mass locked by a Python and Anaconda. Giving NPC's and Gankers every chance at wiping those players out. Lol.

K Olley · Dec 31, 2020

A low weight low power consuming shields that are virtually impossible to penetrate that are only usable on an unarmed freighter

MickyG1982 · Dec 31, 2020

There is kind of a point to the ships being flawed in the first place.

No one ship is meant to be perfect.

Bottom Hat · Dec 31, 2020

Isn't some of this done by design though, like Mickey says?

Not being argumentative, just thought it worth bearing in mind.

Gunther_Bladderburst · Dec 31, 2020

Let’s make all ships flawless.

Adjust them all at the same speed and maneuverability, armor and shields while at it. All values should be 666.

goemon · Dec 31, 2020

Corvette is overpowered. all hardpoints need to be reduced one size, and it turn rates need to get to t9 levels.
Cutter is too fast - maximum speed after engineering needs to be under 400 m/s.
T9 cockpit is too good looking - needs obstructing metalframes in view.
pythons powerdistributor is too good, and its too versatile - pd class 5, and lock 4 internals to cargo or passenger only.
dolphin runs to cold - bring it to beluga hot levels!
sidewinder is too manouverable with enhanced performance thrusters, and can make too much credits at high res farming - up its mass so it can't fit enhanced performance thrusters, and add random weapon malfunctions, so you increase chance to hit cops.

shall we go on?

S0rkvild · Dec 31, 2020

some time ago they promised the asp scout buff... does anyone remember that

Quantis Trap · Dec 31, 2020

No OP, it's not time.
Frontier needs to do SO MANY things in Elite Dangerous before they even consider a ship balance.
Some of those things include:

Fix tons of bugs.
Fix multi-player (better be greatly improved at time of Odyssey launch).
Fix performance in many areas.
... many others ...
only then maybe a ship balance pass

gorankar · Dec 31, 2020

We don't talk about the Asp Scout anymore.

Captain Willard · Dec 31, 2020

Hmmm
He said the A word.

Achtung-Goomba · Dec 31, 2020

I want an Asp Scout now.

DemiserofD · Dec 31, 2020

Personally I'd like to see some unorthodox changes to these ships instead.

Clipper, for example; what if you gave it a class 2 hardpoint here?

Not great for fixed weapons or even gimbals, as it would largely only be able to shoot up, but it would be a great location for a Turret to defend the backside and entire top. A multicrewmember could shoot at almost 270 degrees of the battlefield at any given time.

Llandrenel · Dec 31, 2020

I mean, honestly, I just gotta go with these guys;

MickyG1982 said:
There is kind of a point to the ships being flawed in the first place.

No one ship is meant to be perfect.

Bottom Hat said:
Isn't some of this done by design though, like Mickey says?

Not being argumentative, just thought it worth bearing in mind.

These are the things you're supposed to overcome when buying a new ship otherwise we might as well only have 1 ship in the entire game cause they'd basically all be the same anyway.

Kantaris · Dec 31, 2020

Make Lakon Great Again

Trollymctrollerson · Dec 31, 2020

You want good weapons convergence, fly a dropship or python. Clippers claim to fame is looking elegant while going fast. At least you can just slap gimballs on it and fight anyhow. Theres no work around for the better converging ships to make them fast and elegant.

Miko · Dec 31, 2020

MickyG1982 said:
There is kind of a point to the ships being flawed in the first place.

No one ship is meant to be perfect.

This isn't about making them perfect, but the hardpoint placement could do with some basic tweaks to enable them to actually utilise the available weaponry in a more versatile manner. It doesn't have to be all hardpoints, as noted by my emphasis on only the underside Mediums of the Clipper, despite it having awful wing spread large ones, writing off fixed weaponry on those, mostly.

Miko · Dec 31, 2020

DemiserofD said:
Personally I'd like to see some unorthodox changes to these ships instead.

Clipper, for example; what if you gave it a class 2 hardpoint here?

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Not great for fixed weapons or even gimbals, as it would largely only be able to shoot up, but it would be a great location for a Turret to defend the backside and entire top. A multicrewmember could shoot at almost 270 degrees of the battlefield at any given time.

Imagine 3 large... Now that would be awesome. Lol.