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One of the main ingredients in a kumo burger so im told.
I doubt you'll get many sensible people calling for the ban to hold. There are two camps in here
1) Those who think fdev run the game
2) Those who think they run the game
Those in camp (1) are just idly watching those in camp (2) spiral into their usual craziness, possibly tutting quietly under there breath. Same as every other thread where people tell fdev what to do
Paying customers can potentially have plenty of power as well. The problem is that they just can’t get organized enough.
Since playing with others is clearly what they play the game for, and they can't now play even amongst themselves for a situation that was not clearly defined as being unacceptable, they are the ones that have lost out on a purchase. As others have mentioned, it was not a reasonable consideration to think they'd be permanently banned for this as it wasn't defined in the COC or TOS, but FDev is putting it under a blanket clause that could be used for nearly anything that's a "negative" player interaction. They paid real money to play online with others, and while it's fully within FDev's right to determine if they can play or not, doing so after-the-fact in what's clearly a gray area they should be refunded their purchase costs. That's not in-game Credits, that's real world Money. Not to mention the mental anguish of losing everything they spent possibly years building up, because if you take the stance that the "slaves" had real-world harm, then you can't simply dismiss the real-world harm the "slavers" may suffer from this.
Got nuked by a cold running Diamondback Scout I'm told.
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"Can you board my taxi?.... uh... yes... yes, you can call it a taxi if you like. Join the rest in the back, hope you don't mind the lack of space, the others got used to it over the past few weeks already."Elite Dangerous Odyssey has headline feature article in this month's PC Gamer
That was hard on the eyes, but it was a good read. REALLY liked the part about MultiCrew. "We're also facilitating physical multicrew here. So if you are part of someone's wing, you'll be able to board their ship, if they allow you to, and they can fly you from one location to another."...forums.frontier.co.uk
"Careful, that's not booster smoke kids!"
From what I can gather there is a taxi service between established points, but what happens when I fly off after dumping some spoon in a distant system?
Here is some footage from the future of what its going to be like:
Pilot would lap up those tears like candy:
I doubt you'll get many sensible people calling for the ban to hold. There are two camps in here
1) Those who think fdev run the game
2) Those who think they run the game
Those in camp (1) are just idly watching those in camp (2) spiral into their usual craziness, possibly tutting quietly under there breath. Same as every other thread where people tell fdev what to do
That's probably why I never quite fit the paradigm. I know full well that FDev run the game, sometimes wish they'd do it a little differently in some circumstances, but am ultimately rarely affected directly by the extreme cases.
Well I agree with that, to a point. But the people who run this game, and who made rules we all have to agree to, said this guy crossed the line. And for the life of me, I can't see what I would stand to gain by defending him even if I wanted to.
Put the most horrible stuff you want in a game, you wont hear a peep from me. But this is about abusing and griefing/scamming other players IN that game.
I asked this last night and nobody answered. I guess I would like to know do you think there should be ANY conduct in Elite deemed unacceptable? And if so, where does that line get drawn. Because to me it's perfectly reasonable to hold the opinion that the guys actions were pretty unacceptable.
So you're saying the choice is non-binary? Very woke
(And quite true, I'm sure there is a spectrum of beliefs between the extremes)
I think the question isn't so much wherever the line may ultimately be drawn though, since by definition you can put any five people in a room and you'll get five different opinions on where that should be. Including the only one that matters which is the official one. The issue is should all five people know where the line will be drawn ahead of any decision they may make about crossing it and in this case (and others previously) I'm not really sure that was the case.
For me rules in general are absolutely fine both in games and in society - we all accept that the developers are ultimately the ones that make them in the game but like I said it seems fairly clear in this case that these players did not think this was a bannable transgression ahead of the fact and I for one couldn't have pointed to something that would have definitiely stated otherwise at the time, i.e. before FDev apparently decided that it was.
There are aspects of the rules that FDev have (based on the stated assumptions as to their actions) decided now, retrospectively, do apply and I don't deny their right to do that either, but I know that if I was the guy they were turning round to and saying 'that thing you did a couple of weeks ago - we've decided we need to ban you for that' the very first thing I'd be thinking was 'did I know that at the time' (note - not 'did I think it was possible?' but did I definitively know?') and honestly, in five years of playing I can't think of another incidence of a deception perpetrated in-game like this which has resulted in an account ban, which would probably go a long way to inform my thinking.
If this was someone getting someone's account details and changing their password or something so that they lost account access it would be open and shut, absolutely without question. Any online game will ban for that as it's real world stuff with a monetary loss. This wasn't though, which is why it's far more of a grey area in my opinion. That's why I'd probably have gone down the gypsy's warning route and used it as a vehicle to spread the news since that does place the decision into the rules - do that and any future player who then transgresses doesn't really have a leg to stand on. On that aspect of the thing, this guy did have one to stand on at the time in my opinion, due to the vagueness of the rules, albeit a misshapen and not very aesthetically pleasing one.
The issue with the alleged racism is far more cut and dried but also by definition one that we're just never going to see the evidence about. Nor should we really, we don't have the right to start demanding that, but without it and without any corroboration from FDEv that yes, that was the aspect of the whole thing that actually provoked any action, I can't make that assumption or offer any meaningful comment on it.
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What if FDEV is wrong? Can they be? I think so.
A couple unacceptable behaviors are that which goes outside of the mechanics as defined by the code (botting, hacks, or clogging) and out of character verbal abuse via the comm systems.
Beyond that, I can't think of anything that's risen to the level of "unacceptable." Sure, lots of people have a longer list than me, but I don't think any of it passes muster.
Open letter time
Yea I got that from the offing but didn’t say because spoilers dude.
So I last checked this thread at almost midday today, and that was around post 680.
Has the debate changed, or is @Red Anders still an evil old bond villain?
Or have we progressed? I'll be a son of a monkey's uncle if it hasn't, and the daughter of it has. I also have no idea what I mean by that.
Has the debate changed, or is @Red Anders still an evil old bond villain?
Or have we progressed? I'll be a son of a monkey's uncle if it hasn't, and the daughter of it has. I also have no idea what I mean by that.
So I last checked this thread at almost midday today, and that was around post 680.
Has the debate changed, or is @Red Anders still an evil old bond villain?
Or have we progressed? I'll be a son of a monkey's uncle if it hasn't, and the daughter of it has. I also have no idea what I mean by that.
I'm offering free snuggles after space legs drop.
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