I think that's what the recruits to the slave carriers said ....
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I think that's what the recruits to the slave carriers said ....
"Don't worry, Good Granny Torval has your special jewellery!"
clips manacles onto wrists and hands Mining Lances over
I’m curious, you seem to strongly believe that the slavers have been solo-banned for actions outside the game. Why do you believe this?
The slavers themselves have stated that they were banned for actions in game. As per my original post - they were “deceiving and exploiting” new players.
I work for Booking.com on occasion, they are essentially doing the same to me as with these kids.
The children now know how the world works. Racist crap aside thats a great lesson taught by a spaceship game.
The children now know how the world works. Racist crap aside thats a great lesson taught by a spaceship game.
Sometimes you need to make an example I guess but I heard the same thing about behaviour offline. Seems to me that could have been a factor in the level of sanction. If you were 'exploiting' players (hard labour slavery is illegal in ED lore) but giving them a fair chance to get off the carrier and communicating with players having a problem in the game, you might get a warning for the slavery, carrier impounded but nothing further. Revelling in the exploitation you achieved would be an aggravating factor though and obviously can lead to a more serious punishment. Premeditation - and a lack of remorse - does make a difference in murder versus manslaughter cases for example.
We can go back and forth for the next two pages on what factors were taken into consideration when Frontier banned them but really we'll never know because Frontier isn't likely to tell the Mining carrier employers or us what the decision process was.
honestly the fact that the guy went on-record to a journalist and said that not only did he intend to keep doing it but find way to do it even harder says it all
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no matter what you're doing, telling the press that you're actively looking to find new ways to cause bigger problems is just
True .. but as a general rule .. dealing with any officer of the law, a level of contrition will usually get you further than a two finger salute. Possibly the difference between an 'on your way' or an 'accompany me to the station' even.
Yes well it appears they're beyond that now and what's done is done.
No, I think it's okay for fdev to ban a frontier account if the user of that account commits something ingame that's against the EULA/ToS of their product. What they are doing outside of the game is none of fdev's business though. It's simply outside of their "jurisdiction", figuratively speaking.
Discord accounts can certainly get suspended if the users break the rules of that platform.
But it's definitely not okay (and it literally makes no sense) if a number of unrelated companies start an avalanche with banhammer in hand against accounts they think to belong to a person who said something naughty on one of the platforms in their opinion. For example: you post something on facebook and not only you facebook account gets banned but also your frontier, discord, twitter, google etc. one.
Btw I don't think that this was what happened in this case, I only replied to the thread because there were quite a lot of people posting here who seemed to be perfectly okay with the concept of such witch hunts, and that's simply not right.
Yes, this case is done for sure. The question is though, even though slavery is illegal there are other illegal activities in ED .. should slavery be 'allowed' by the game? And if it were, how could the BGS go about policing it as an illegal activity?
Frontier sure wouldn't want to have to make a hand inserted action like this every time .. but community infractions aside, the one thing you can't take away from this lot is their entrepreneurship. It could happen again.
Elite: Dangerous is FDev's jurisdiction. They may not be able to remove one from Discord (or wherever), but they can damn well remove you from their game (for whatever).
We all tacitly agreed to a standard boiler-plate EULA that says FDev owns everything related to the game forever, can change the rules at will, and can revoke licenses for any, or no, reason.
I think it would be pretty crappy to revoke licenses for out-of-game behavior when they won't even do so for actual rules violations, but they have every right to. They may have to offer refunds in some jurisdictions, and going too far may well result in backlash and lost revenue, but ultimately, we're all guests at a party run by a faceless corporate monstrosity.
There is no way it could be contextually prohibited. I could be made illegal by in-game entities, but that wouldn't do anything in this case because these entities have no power over CMDRs. When slaves don't know they are slaves, or can be convinced that the alternative is worse, there isn't much that can be done, regardless.
You could have PF labor inspectors and use the comms system to distribute pamphlets warning people of the dangers of being scammed, but it's always going to be up to the victim to take the first step...and in this case that's just leaving...because the game doesn't give CMDRs any real, non-abstract, power or agency over other CMDRs either.
As a much younger person, I was put in "Disney Jail" for wearing a t-shirt that said "How dare I wear this GD* shirt in front of your FING* Kids?" (I suspect you can fill in the words
, you can find the shirt on T-Shirt Hell if you're curious). I'd worn a hoodie over it on the way in, but once that came off I was quite literally chased by their security until cornered, "detained" and made to put my hoodie back on, and then removed from the park - with a ban for some time (no idea how long, this was decades ago). As a note, it was hilarious when they tried to insinuate that I was in some kind of real trouble as if I'd broken a law, but quickly backed down when I asked them to cite the law or statute I'd broken, in writing, so my lawyer could review it. Suddenly it was "Oh, well, uh Mr. X, let's just get your hoodie back on and get you out of here." and gave me a refund for the day to ensure I wouldn't start actually calling a lawyer about their attempt to intimidate and detain me. And yes, it was 100% their right to kick me out.
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On the Morality Spectrum where is fascism, cannibalism and slavery these days? If I wrote a Polygon article saying I eat fascist pigs for breakfast in EDs BGS (quite literally) where do I stand? Should I hide the Kumo Burger wrappers? And its still page 62- I want mah PowehPleh wish!
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I'm thinking you just summed up the political ambitions of most world leaders.
I suppose you do need some roughage in your diet and as a binder for the burgers.
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