Why I think player-driven slave trading should be removed from E:D

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Chase Quinnell

Chase Quinnell
And I'll say the same as I did before... how about we stop trying to censor subjects we don't like in works of fiction? The dark side of humanity absolutely deserves to be put on display. It's fiction. Censorship is bad, no matter how you try to sugarcoat it. If people who thought like you had their way, this entire world would be nothing but the most inoffensive and benign content imaginable and as soon as the next Hitler came along, nobody would have any idea how to handle it.
 

Starshot_Jigawatts

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Egypt and Rome immediately pop into my head, and IIRC the Empire in ED is modeled after the Roman Empire.
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True but you don't have to go that far back. China didn't even abolish slavery until 1949 (some would say they still have not) but you go on the internet and somehow America is still the poster child for slavery or something...just gets obnoxious after a while. Like only we have dirty laundry....
 

Mormo

Mormo
furiouslog said:
Okay, great, but I still have two issues with that: they are still called slaves, and even if they weren’t, they are still transported human cargo that are treated as if they were slaves, which means my prior arguments still apply. They are cargo.
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So if imperial slaves was called… I don't know… 'very poor imperial passenger' that would be cool to you? And regular slaves we be called 'very poor illegal passenger'.
 

Starshot_Jigawatts

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Several Puffins said:
Drug use? I agree, if we accept that there are strong limits on "freedom of choice".

Drug trade (which is a thing in game) still has a vast number of unwilling victims through history.
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To be clear I'm fine with either being in the game in their current form and I don't agree with the OP. But I can see how he is more concerned about slavery than trading drugs I guess. Because, you know, one isn't a living breathing thing etc etc.
 

Old Duck

Old Duck
I actually went back and read a little more of the OP (it'll take days to read the entire thing), and it seems like he's asking to remove things that a small subset of people are sensitive to. But going back to yet more real life examples, we don't remove peanut butter from grocery stores just because some people are allergic to it. We don't remove alcohol from restaurants just because some people are recovering alcoholics. It's up to the person who has these sensitivities to avoid those things. So if the OP wants Frontier to put a warning on the box (maybe there already is) letting people know this game depicts slavery, then sure, I'm cool with that, since I see this all the time on TV shows I watch (not slavery, but things like drugs, language, etc.)
 
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Florenus

Florenus
Again? Really?
Because OP said almost all of this in previous thread and now even writes that he has no more to say, I see this as nothing more than attempt to start flame war.

With some of the additional features added since my initial misadventures, I found the game more accessible. So I played it, doing trading and exploration for quite a while. I loved it. I eventually came across a trader that had slaves. My reaction was, “seriously?” I just ignored it and kept playing the way I wanted to, until I decided that I wanted to say something about it, because it was slowly continuing to bother me.
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Well thank you very much mr Flanders. You said what you wanted to say, now please go and ignore it again. Keep your kids away from temptation and make sure they understand how bad slavery is - maybe you would forgot to do that if not for Elite.

If game devs are going to start removing everything that someone finds offensive, we might as well stop playing video games. We might even stop talking or looking at eachother, because those things might offend people too.

I don't think using slavery in Elite Dangerous is making anyone into a psycho, or teaches them how to become a slaver. It's a game, with abstract ideas used as gaming devices that noone in his right mind can treat seriously as something that has any bearing on real life. I mean in The Sims you are master of pixel lifes of your sims - you control their every aspect -you're more a slaver there than anyone playing Elite Dangerous. And people do "sick" things to their sims, laughing about it.
Video games don't tech you how to kill or devalue human life - if you're playing too much they might be responsible for your detachment from reality, but the same can be said about any addiction.
 

Northpin

Northpin
Well i dont even know why it was even allowed to be reopened here in the first place
It does little to none to discuss the slaves in-game, in lore, in the Elite Universe

Instead it discuss the OP's sensitivities, personal references, other games, laws, crimes, politics -

And i strongly disagree that ED should be censored / altered / retconned based on someone's sensibilities.
Whoever finds any part of ED content distasteful has the liberty to stop playing it.
 

Winterwalker

Winterwalker
Modern slavery is a thing and so are deaths to terrorists, a subject we've recently had a Galnet story on. Real people are affected by that too, also tragically but the fact that they're depicted in dystopian future does not mean you condone them in real life. It's fiction.

In fact fiction is the best place for it. There are a lot of distasteful things in the world but wishing them away does not mean they don't exist. Fictions are places where you can confront your own feelings, maybe even understand why things happen which in turn makes you better equipped to recognise them in the real world and do something practical about stopping them.

So don't remove slavery from the game. We don't live in that future world yet, bad stuff exists. Slavery is illegal in ED. What are you going to do to stop it from happening? Putting your head in the sand won't cut it, the slavers will just carry on behind your back.
 

[PS4] Lorenzo Waringos

[PS4] Lorenzo Waringos
Starshot_Jigawatts said:
We are fast approaching that reality I'm afraid....:sneaky:
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Sleep easy, there is no peanut butter in Elite.
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This (thread) appears to be a fruitless conversation.

The best thing I read in this one (apart from one removed post) or yesterday’s one, was that it would be cool to have missions or a mechanism whereby true slaves in the game could be rescued. Who knows what Battlefront Odyssey will bring. This debate however is never going to solve it.
 

Gwyther

Gwyther
Well first of all I am not going to read your full length novel of a post. But I understand that you obviously wanted to get your views across.

As far as I'm concerned, playing a game that has slavery, drug dealing, murder, smuggling, etc... isn't going to change the way I think about such things. It is not going to make me think that such things are ok. Nor I doubt it will change anyone else's views.

I do understand where you are coming from, but I think you may be over thinking this.
Remember that this is just a game after all. If you took out all the 'bad' parts of the game then what would be left? Just mining and exploration.

As strong as your views are, coming on here to talk about it won't change anything. The game will continue as it currently is. Of course, no one is forcing you to play ED either, so if you don't like the slavery side of it, then the solution is simple. Don't play it.

Also, how far do you go with this. Partition for all games to not show slavery? Ban films that show it? Burn books that talk about it?

And what about the other 'bad' aspects of this game and others (murder, drugs, kidnap). Should all that be banned from games, books and films too?

I do understand your views somewhat, but coming on here to preach about it won't change a thing.
 
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