Odyssey trailer - thoughts?

[Shaele]

As mentioned, the demo was prepared not by the DEVs but by the CMs.
They had access to an older release than the pre-alpha itself. In Braben's message he himself says that more things will be shown between now and the official release.
I would like to mention that many things related to their but with gameplay were never put in any beta or alpha of the game.
So it's all to be taken with a grain of salt how much is shown and how much is ready.

so if its all to be taken with a grain of salt.. why bother even showing it.. or are you saying its all fake?

They put a ton of work into showing all this stuff but its not relevant?

They put all this info out there.. but its wrong?

Why not just say that odyssey is all fake if we are going to ridiculous ends to defend the information they have put out?


There is only so far you can go defending a company (who btw gives no thoughts about you at all) before you become just as much a joke as what you are defending.

Based on the info they have put out, the demos they have show, imo they have been wasting time on a niche area that will be as used as CQC was, and forgotten as fast

 

[Rat Catcher]

There is only so far you can go defending a company (who btw gives no thoughts about you at all) before you become just as much a joke as what you are defending.

Almost as much a joke as constant attack on a company because.... reasons?

 

[BartTP]

The complainers miss the fact that for Elite the FPS component is secondary and not the core of the game.

And you are missing the fact that we are talking about Odyssey here, NOT Elite as a whole. Odyssey is focused on FPS aspect as far as we know - this is what you are paying for. Even the graphic overhaul isn't a part of the Odyssey per se because Horizons players will get it for free. So - what will we get for those 50 bucks?

20% more planets to land, FPS aspect, lobby, collecting bio-samples. There. That's it. It's easy to spot FPS aspect is the main course (plenty of weapons, engineering etc.) and other aspects are just appetizers, pretty same stuff we already had in Horizons (taking biosamples in srv for instance). They even said you can play Odyssey without having a ship. This means this DLC isn't an expansion of Elite experience but a side-game (nobody was asking for, tbh). Elite space legs should be an extension of being a space pilot. So - walking inside the ship, repairing the ship, collecting materials for the ship etc. and all that effort they put into FPS should be directed elsewhere, mainly making planets to be interesting places (like the planet from Alien: Isolation one guy had mentioned here, with all those winds and weather effects), instead of static deserts we have today.

But they decided they wanted an FPS. It's OK - but if they want to do it, they should do it right. And that means Odyssey should be a GOOD MODERN FPS, not some low-end shooter that looks like a decade old game. People say it's not CoD. Yeah, it's not - it's not even close, even to 10 years old CoD: Black Ops.

b-but muh pre-alpha

Alpha will start in less than 3 weeks and the game is scheduled to be released in 3 months. There's no way the final product will look much different from what we have seen thursday.

you don't like it, don't buy it

Why wouldn't I? I love the game and spent more than 500$ for paintjobs, bobbleheads, decals and so forth (probably way more than all those people who defend FDev here no matter what, not to mention I bought new computer AND gaming laptop solely for the purpose of being able to play it). I'd buy it even if it was only about letting us land on those extra planets. I actually bought it already. But I didn't buy it because of FPS aspect. And I wouldn't buy it if it was a stand-alone game.

 

[dannysquid]

Some people just like having a good moan about everything. They'll be the people we'll see slumped alone in the station bars, muttering to themselves about how their sitting animation could be improved between swigs of space rum.

I'm looking forward to the missions where you have to sneak in and out of settlements undetected. I wonder how much freedom we have to explore the interiors in settlements that are friendly to us. I'm guessing some areas would still be off-limits.

I also think that even if I never get out of my ship it will be nice to see characters wandering about at the bases. I wonder if we'll only see them at the settlements (which seems to be what's implied).

 

[xzanfr]

I'm not interested in running about in multiplay shooting stuff so the demo for me is

I'd be interested to see what other improvements have been added to the spaceship bit of the game (if any) and other things you can do on spacelegs - I'm also not a fan of the driving in the SRV so hopefully wandering about on planets isn't just slow SRV mode.

I'm sure this update will be really positive for many other players and it looks pretty good for that sort of game.

 

[Deleted member 182079]

Some people just like having a good moan about everything. They'll be the people we'll see slumped alone in the station bars, muttering to themselves about how their sitting animation could be improved between swigs of space rum.

I feel this is aimed at posters like myself so compelled to respond.

I don't think dismissing those who voice concerns as "moaners" is particularly helpful on a discussion forum. And while I can only speak for myself I don't think anyone does this because they enjoy complaining (trolls aside of which I can't see really see many in this thread).

But since there are plenty of glaring issues people have the right to call them out, just as the positives should be.

 

[Helvellyn]

I feel this is aimed at posters like myself so compelled to respond.

I don't think dismissing those who voice concerns as "moaners" is particularly helpful on a discussion forum. And while I can only speak for myself I don't think anyone does this because they enjoy complaining (trolls aside of which I can't see really see many in this thread).

But since there are plenty of glaring issues people have the right to call them out, just as the positives should be.

Happens all the time, sadly. Some people just can't cope with people not being happy about something. Sure, some people sometimes over-react to a high degree but a complaint or a worry is just as valid as the opposite opinion. Going overboard with trying to drag something down into the muck isn't really acceptable, but neither is handwaving away issues just because someone would prefer to be happy and ignorant.

 

[askavir]

Am I being accused of not respecting other people's ideas?
I have responded with what the developers have stated and to those who don't want to take any official information and throw it into sterile controversy.

No, I agree with you 100%.

 

[Ronzer]

I don't think you need to go to full martyrdom mode just because people voice their opinions on the trailer. I mean, the very topic of this thread is what kind of thoughts people had on that pre-alpha footage.

Either way, it worries me that the state of the FPS is like it is in the gameplay footage just months before release. If they truly polish that lackluster example of pew pew to a good one in this time, hats off for FDev. But before that is proven, I'm glad that EDO won't be all about FPS combat.

After watching this footage I was thinking a similar thing about being 'glad it wont be all about FPS'. But before they showed this gameplay, I wasnt thinking that at all. I was thinking how great it's going to be to watch these amazing ships flying in and out of the stations, seeing how the ground bases look, etc. I love ED's ships, and being on foot ultimately is just another vantage point to experiencing them, and the environment. And now reading a few posts, and your last few words there, reminded me. We've been here so many times before. Wings? Multi-crew? Squadrons? Fleet f-ing Carriers? All things that for any other game, would be incredible, yet somehow, they manage to do it in a way that makes you not want to use it. CQC anyone? In all those additions to the game, you get the feeling they dont want you to like it or use it at all. What is that about? How many derelict Fleet Carriers are there? It's a ship, you can have, to transport a huge number of ships. But do you? You need 5 billion to get one. Upkeep is insane. If you wanted one, can you even afford it? Hence, you, the player of ED dont really want carriers, right? But then we'd say how about with reaonable cost, etc. but they never do that. I can only guess this is some $/server/online thing, where they dont really want/need everyone to have one, but enough to say they have it, checked that box on the scope chart, and it's available.

Here we are, again, where we can walk around ~400 billion stars*4 planets*3 moons= what 5 trillion places? and they release this footage which makes many of us end up saying 'meh'?

Lets change that. If you're wanting elite feet, (some dont? ok those people can stay in their seats/solved) and you saw this footage and are thinking now that it's no big deal or doesn't look as you hoped, let's just use it anyways. It's not about how it looks right now, its about having it work, and making use of it so they build it up. That mission was super complex, considering you, and your fellow CMDR's, can be on some planetoid 25,000 Ly's away. There is nothing 'meh' about this at all. I cant wait to see all of this live. Can we watch racing? Will they make stands we can sit in? Can we sit? Can I ride a rollercoaster in Zaonce? Only 23 more sleeps!

 

[dannysquid]

I don't think dismissing those who voice concerns as "moaners" is particularly helpful on a discussion forum. And while I can only speak for myself I don't think anyone does this because they enjoy complaining (trolls aside of which I can't see really see many in this thread).

I'm sure this is true, but it just always feels like whenever I come on the forum (or any forum, about literally anything!) I'm faced with this huge wall of negativity with everybody jumping on every little thing that could do with a bit of improvement while completely ignoring all the good bits. I know this is just the nature of things, but -- I dunno -- it just ends up making everything feel more angry and divisive than it needs to be. I'm probably just a glass half full person.

 

[Rat Catcher]

Upkeep is insane

Up to 36 million each week is insane? (mine are 8 & 12 million currently)

 

[Bantha]

It’s unfair to call people childish or salty for voicing their opinion about this demo, just because they don’t think it is of particularly high quality.
Just as it would be unfair to call others childish or fanboys, just because their opinion of the demo is more positive.

So why don’t we cut these kind of remarks please, they serve no purpose other than to alienate people. And indeed, display the kind of behaviour that you’re actually trying to lambast.

I understand some of you saying it’s an older version, and it’s pre-alpha, I get that. And I hope you are right, that the alpha, beta and actual end-product are all of much higher quality, because what I’ve seen simply isn’t good enough.

My concerns are

• this is a video Brabben himself introduced. Therefore he (and ergo FDev) must think it’s good enough to share. It isn’t. It’s actually quite bad.
• we’re very close to release. Is the final version going to be so much better than what we’ve seen? In such a short space of time? I doubt it.

I am genuinely concerned that the game I love has had so much effort put in to something so poor, that people will not play it. And we’ve seen before when people stop playing certain elements of the game, the devs themselves stop working on it, and it’s left to rot.

If this comes to pass, then all that time and effort has been wasted, and could have been put to much better use.

It’s a genuine and valid concern.

 

[Amanojaku]

The Internet could make a Saint passive aggressive.

 

[Maximillian Forrest]

Being as a player who mostly plays alone, I’m a little concerned about what I can do given a suit determines a player’s single role, rather than a multiple one. Either that or I misunderstood the trailer.

 

[BartTP]

I am genuinely concerned that the game I love has had so much effort put in to something so poor, that people will not play it. And we’ve seen before when people stop playing certain elements of the game, the devs themselves stop working on it, and it’s left to rot.

My concern is that the next 2 or 3 years FDev will spend their resources to fix the FPS aspect of Odyssey, leaving all other things and issues untouched. Seriously, the existence of the FPS in Elite wouldn't bother me otherwise. What I am concerned about are FDev's priorities. FPS should be an addition to space legs, not the other way around.

 

[Bantha]

And you are missing the fact that we are talking about Odyssey here, NOT Elite as a whole. Odyssey is focused on FPS aspect as far as we know - this is what you are paying for. Even the graphic overhaul isn't a part of the Odyssey per se because Horizons players will get it for free. So - what will we get for those 50 bucks?

20% more planets to land, FPS aspect, lobby, collecting bio-samples. There. That's it. It's easy to spot FPS aspect is the main course (plenty of weapons, engineering etc.) and other aspects are just appetizers, pretty same stuff we already had in Horizons (taking biosamples in srv for instance). They even said you can play Odyssey without having a ship. This means this DLC isn't an expansion of Elite experience but a side-game (nobody was asking for, tbh). Elite space legs should be an extension of being a space pilot. So - walking inside the ship, repairing the ship, collecting materials for the ship etc. and all that effort they put into FPS should be directed elsewhere, mainly making planets to be interesting places (like the planet from Alien: Isolation one guy had mentioned here, with all those winds and weather effects), instead of static deserts we have today.

But they decided they wanted an FPS. It's OK - but if they want to do it, they should do it right. And that means Odyssey should be a GOOD MODERN FPS, not some low-end shooter that looks like a decade old game. People say it's not CoD. Yeah, it's not - it's not even close, even to 10 years old CoD: Black Ops.

Alpha will start in less than 3 weeks and the game is scheduled to be released in 3 months. There's no way the final product will look much different from what we have seen thursday.

Why wouldn't I? I love the game and spent more than 500$ for paintjobs, bobbleheads, decals and so forth (probably way more that all those people who defend FDev here no matter what, not to mention I bought new computer AND gaming laptop solely for the purpose of being able to play it). I'd buy it even if it was only about letting us land on those extra planets. I actually bought it already. But I didn't buy it because of FPS aspect. And I wouldn't buy it if it was a stand-alone game.

^^^ This. 100% this!

 

[askavir]

It's a ship, you can have, to transport a huge number of ships. But do you? You need 5 billion to get one. Upkeep is insane. If you wanted one, can you even afford it? Hence, you, the player of ED dont really want carriers, right?

So that must be why there aren't almost any fleet carriers around... Because they're so hard to own and nobody wants one...

 

[Ronzer]

Up to 36 million each week is insane? (mine are 8 & 12 million currently)

I was referring to how for many, it seems huge. To me, it seems FDev must track what's being used, and they focus on those areas. That's not a bad or unexpected thing, but Im saying if you want the walking around, dont not use it, if that makes sense. It may be buggy, it may not look like you want it to, but if it's being used, they may show it more focus.

FC's are an amazing thing. You see so many of them not being used. But as time goes by you see more and more of them being used in really great ways and maybe ways they're intended for use.

 

[CMDRAnadon]

It’s unfair to call people childish or salty for voicing their opinion about this demo, just because they don’t think it is of particularly high quality.
Just as it would be unfair to call others childish or fanboys, just because their opinion of the demo is more positive.

So why don’t we cut these kind of remarks please, they serve no purpose other than to alienate people. And indeed, display the kind of behaviour that you’re actually trying to lambast.

I understand some of you saying it’s an older version, and it’s pre-alpha, I get that. And I hope you are right, that the alpha, beta and actual end-product are all of much higher quality, because what I’ve seen simply isn’t good enough.

My concerns are

• this is a video Brabben himself introduced. Therefore he (and ergo FDev) must think it’s good enough to share. It isn’t. It’s actually quite bad.
• we’re very close to release. Is the final version going to be so much better than what we’ve seen? In such a short space of time? I doubt it.

I am genuinely concerned that the game I love has had so much effort put in to something so poor, that people will not play it. And we’ve seen before when people stop playing certain elements of the game, the devs themselves stop working on it, and it’s left to rot.

If this comes to pass, then all that time and effort has been wasted, and could have been put to much better use.

It’s a genuine and valid concern.

You are still ignoring all the information that was offered to you a few posts ago.
So let's say the complaint is instrumental since you've avoided thinking point blank about the information that the DEVs released after the film.
And again... the CMs were allowed to use an older pre-alpha version than the current one and didn't show all the content of the expansion.
They showed a single cut and paste mission.
You can see how the in game time is sometimes not linear.
In fact it was said 2 weeks ago that one of the CMs was assembling the whole thing.
They have shown us about 10% of the content of the final release and that it will be updated with future implementations.

 

[Rat Catcher]

It’s unfair to call people childish or salty for voicing their opinion about this demo, just because they don’t think it is of particularly high quality.
Just as it would be unfair to call others childish or fanboys, just because their opinion of the demo is more positive.

So why don’t we cut these kind of remarks please, they serve no purpose other than to alienate people. And indeed, display the kind of behaviour that you’re actually trying to lambast.

I understand some of you saying it’s an older version, and it’s pre-alpha, I get that. And I hope you are right, that the alpha, beta and actual end-product are all of much higher quality, because what I’ve seen simply isn’t good enough.

My concerns are

• this is a video Brabben himself introduced. Therefore he (and ergo FDev) must think it’s good enough to share. It isn’t. It’s actually quite bad.
• we’re very close to release. Is the final version going to be so much better than what we’ve seen? In such a short space of time? I doubt it.

I am genuinely concerned that the game I love has had so much effort put in to something so poor, that people will not play it. And we’ve seen before when people stop playing certain elements of the game, the devs themselves stop working on it, and it’s left to rot.

If this comes to pass, then all that time and effort has been wasted, and could have been put to much better use.

It’s a genuine and valid concern.

Indeed, you are absolutely correct in your observation - excessive zeal in either criticism or positivity are pointless...

Again, as you were careful to illustrate, the demo was made on a very old build, and the CM's were polite enough to mention that the more recent build that had been playing on was vastly different, but, of course, that is a point easily glossed over if one didn't care to watch the stream, or if it doesn't 'fit' with their narrative.

Fortunately we are only 23 days from playing the alpha, from which we shall be able to draw our own conclusions on its 'usefulness' - I shall livestream my meanderings (and any crashes, naturally) on the release day, so those who do not play will be able to make their judgement - no commentary from me, just the DLC being played (badly in all likelihood, but so what?)

(edit: typos)