I doubt this is how the CM team expected the day to pan out
Give Yamiks an Alpha key!
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Well buddy it's been nice knowing you. o7
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Serves them well for hiding on Tw@erI doubt this is how the CM team expected the day to pan out
I have been playing since 2015 and this is the stupid thing that made me actually make a forum account!
It is not about the money. I am sure Yamiks can well afford to buy Alpha access. It is not even about Yamiks (for me at any rate). A third of the time he makes me laugh, a third maybe I agree with him and a third I think him way off the mark. However, I don't get to dictate what content he creates and nor, quite frankly do Frontier. I can watch it or not and mostly I do because I am not so fragile as to be unable to hear opinions that I might disagree with.
Whatever an individuals opinion with regard to Yamiks it cannot be denied that he is most definitely what my nephews and nieces refer to as an 'influencer'. You don't have to like it and Frontier don't have to like it but the fact remains that an 'influencer' is what he is. I think Frontier prefer the term 'core creator' but horses for courses and all that. Frontier do not get to choose (control obsessives that they are) who the community decides to engage with. We do .......and over 100k made that choice in Yamiks case.
That Frontier hide behind the most mealy mouthed statement I have ever seen is what annoys me more than anything. They obviously wanted to disrespect Yamiks. Well deserved some of you might say. If they, a supposedly professional company are so easily moved to pettiness because they don't appreciate the critique of certain youtubers then at least put on your big boy pants and say 'we don't like you, we don't like your content and we are not willing to engage with you. '
Anyone who has played this game for more than a minute know that is something Frontier would never do. They never made a single statement yet that they were not covered from June to Christmas lest they be held to it. It is precisely the reason that 7 days from Alpha (which they want you to BUY INTO) we still know next to nothing about it. Drip feed does not do it justice. It has been going on that long that anything they release has me bored to tears before they actually get around to releasing it. Anyway I digress .......
Frontier have an absolute right not to engage with Yamiks if they are miffed by him. It is not a good look for a company but they do have that right. However at least be honest about it and don't try to soft shoe around it. I will judge them for it as would, one assumes, others but at least I could respect that this was the hill they chose. As it stands I can't even respect them for that. ................. and whilst I am on it, what about who is next? Maybe one of the cc's you engage with provkes the ire of Frontier? I watch most of them and am an avid listener of Lave radio ........what if they said something that a fdev employee took umbridge at and fresh from the adrenaline rush of sticking it to Yamiks they decided to get shirty? Of course you don't have to worry about any of that if the only opinions you want to hear are those that sing the praises of a game you love. Some folks need more than that though.
It is not about the money. I am sure Yamiks can well afford to buy Alpha access. It is not even about Yamiks (for me at any rate). A third of the time he makes me laugh, a third maybe I agree with him and a third I think him way off the mark. However, I don't get to dictate what content he creates and nor, quite frankly do Frontier. I can watch it or not and mostly I do because I am not so fragile as to be unable to hear opinions that I might disagree with.
Whatever an individuals opinion with regard to Yamiks it cannot be denied that he is most definitely what my nephews and nieces refer to as an 'influencer'. You don't have to like it and Frontier don't have to like it but the fact remains that an 'influencer' is what he is. I think Frontier prefer the term 'core creator' but horses for courses and all that. Frontier do not get to choose (control obsessives that they are) who the community decides to engage with. We do .......and over 100k made that choice in Yamiks case.
That Frontier hide behind the most mealy mouthed statement I have ever seen is what annoys me more than anything. They obviously wanted to disrespect Yamiks. Well deserved some of you might say. If they, a supposedly professional company are so easily moved to pettiness because they don't appreciate the critique of certain youtubers then at least put on your big boy pants and say 'we don't like you, we don't like your content and we are not willing to engage with you. '
Anyone who has played this game for more than a minute know that is something Frontier would never do. They never made a single statement yet that they were not covered from June to Christmas lest they be held to it. It is precisely the reason that 7 days from Alpha (which they want you to BUY INTO) we still know next to nothing about it. Drip feed does not do it justice. It has been going on that long that anything they release has me bored to tears before they actually get around to releasing it. Anyway I digress .......
Frontier have an absolute right not to engage with Yamiks if they are miffed by him. It is not a good look for a company but they do have that right. However at least be honest about it and don't try to soft shoe around it. I will judge them for it as would, one assumes, others but at least I could respect that this was the hill they chose. As it stands I can't even respect them for that. ................. and whilst I am on it, what about who is next? Maybe one of the cc's you engage with provkes the ire of Frontier? I watch most of them and am an avid listener of Lave radio ........what if they said something that a fdev employee took umbridge at and fresh from the adrenaline rush of sticking it to Yamiks they decided to get shirty? Of course you don't have to worry about any of that if the only opinions you want to hear are those that sing the praises of a game you love. Some folks need more than that though.
Welcome to the forum.
If LR said something against FDev and so LR didn't get an Alpha key, I'd say that's FDev's right to do so. FDev are handing out free access to an Alpha to those they think will give them good "press". Yamiks isn't in that club. They are well within their rights to do so. If they were banning people from Elite - that's different. But they're not.
so that's one extra benefit of this thread.
that's a pretty solid entree. welcome!
I don't know why people are surprised or shocked by this, it's not uncommon for the industry to only give out keys and preview copies to those who are likely to give positive or, at the very least, fair reviews. Reviewers who are excessively critical can and do get blacklisted.
Jim Sterling is a good example of a popular YouTuber (907k subscribers) who has been blacklisted by a number of games publishers. It even happened when he was still writing for Destructoid.
I also remember back in the early 90s when Team17 threatened Amiga Power with legal action and stopped supplying them with review copies for giving a number of their games mediocre or poor review scores. So it's not even a new practice.
Basically, the industry expects games media and content creators to be little more than an extension of its PR department.
You might not like it, but from their perspective, it makes perfect sense. Why give someone the privilege of a free/advance copy if they're very likely just going to bash your game? And Yamiks has said some pretty insulting things about FDev, so I don't think he can complain too much.
Jim Sterling is a good example of a popular YouTuber (907k subscribers) who has been blacklisted by a number of games publishers. It even happened when he was still writing for Destructoid.
I also remember back in the early 90s when Team17 threatened Amiga Power with legal action and stopped supplying them with review copies for giving a number of their games mediocre or poor review scores. So it's not even a new practice.
Basically, the industry expects games media and content creators to be little more than an extension of its PR department.
You might not like it, but from their perspective, it makes perfect sense. Why give someone the privilege of a free/advance copy if they're very likely just going to bash your game? And Yamiks has said some pretty insulting things about FDev, so I don't think he can complain too much.
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Humor is certainly a matter of taste, but taste is individual, and I happily challenge anyone to prove that their taste is better than mine, because of curz, my taste is superior to anyone else. I also like Lewis Black, whom you would probably also find somewhat offensive. Imagine you speaking Norwegian. Do you think that might sound "terrible"? Or even funny to some? For many of us english is not our first language. Yamiks doesn't seem to care, which is a strong character in my book. Language is all about communicating information, and there are more than one way to do that. It's as simple as that, if we disregard the taste, and my challenge still stands.
Vomit? Really?
It's not really up to them though. It's the audience that determines who gets the most views/influence.
I do actually agree with this. The problem is the message they essentially conveyed to Yamicks is "you don't matter". It's really nothing to do with the access itself but it would have avoided situations like this altogether.Personally, I would have none of the influenzers have free keys - if they haven't bought alpha access already, then they're not that dedicated to streaming Elite
That's one heck of a first post man. You raised more salt in your first post than I have in 3 years
. I'd hate to see what you'd do with another post. Lol. Welcome to the forums. o7
It's entirely up to them though. They can decide that 'core content creators' means bringing certain qualities to their content rather than quantity of subscribers.It's not really up to them though. It's the audience that determines who gets the most views/influence.
I do actually agree with this. The problem is the message they essentially conveyed to Yamicks is "you don't matter". It's really nothing to do with the access itself but it would have avoided situations like this altogether.
That's one heck of a first post man. You raised more salt in your first post than I have in 3 years
Yamiks not mattering is entirely within the lore set out for all of us within the Elite universe
Must say that while I do watch Yamiks' posts from time to time, I do find his approach unnecessarily puerile a lot of the time. I find it somewhat surprising that FDEV haven't given him a key, but then again his style can be quite grating so I can't say I blame them. I think it's a little arrogant of Yamiks (or any other content creator for that manner) to react like FDEV 'owed' them a key just because he's a content creator of some noteriety.
That all said, I'd always prefer to watch a Yamiks video about Elite than one by that DG360 git. Can't stand that guy's attitude.....
That all said, I'd always prefer to watch a Yamiks video about Elite than one by that DG360 git. Can't stand that guy's attitude.....
Unless fdev flat out ban him from the game and get YT to take down his channel a la nintendo style they cannot control who the audience decides they want to watch. I realize in Fdev land they like to redefine terminology to whatever they want but outside of fdev land core creator means "big name content creators". Not "content creators we the company deem necessary".It's entirely up to them though. They can decide that 'core content creators' means bringing certain qualities to their content rather than quantity of subscribers.
Yamiks not mattering is entirely within the lore set out for all of us within the Elite universe
Or, you know, FDEV could already have been honest to Yamiks in that for whatever reason corporately, they decided to only issue so many keys to creators and press and he simply just didn't make the cut? People who are sour about this seem to insist on considering FDEV disingenuous or simply wanting to spite Yamiks for some reason. Maybe FDEV have been honest and Yamiks is simply not as significant as he, and some others, think he is just because of some subscriber numbers.
Not trying to have a sparring match with you but he has 101,000 subscribers. That’s 1/5th of the monthly ED concurrent players supposedly and that’s just his subscribers not viewers. If you think that can’t have an impact you might want to go read the comments under his video. Better off to have given him a key.Fair enough. I'm just surprised that someone would specifically watch a Yamiks video in order to actually decide between buy/no-buy.
Ah well, if EDO will be a flop, at least we will know the reason then.
Given his content there's no guarantee those 101k people actually play the game any more.
Steam limits pre-release keys for all games. Yamiks doesn't know that because he isnt a game journalist. Those guys did get a key though.
Maybe this is something he will reflect upon.
lol of course not. He'll just yell petty insults again and then sulk about not getting a freebie. Don't worry guys, he'll just buy a key like the rest so you will get the funny insults anyway.
Might I introduce more 
into your lives with the reddit post by Yamiks plugging his own video?
into your lives with the reddit post by Yamiks plugging his own video?- Status