I think you got that one wrong, it’s alpha for 5-6 weeks, then reality hits the wall and if the bugs ain’t ironed out SHTF! So we should expect bugs, and we should report them, it’s not that we forgive that it’s buggy we expect it, in 6 weeks or so not so much, now SC how long time in Alpha?
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They don't need proximity chat... they came to the forums insteadAnd soon you'll have to listen to SC guys doing the same in the EDO bar
EDIT: I'm genuinely so glad there's no proximity chat in there at the moment. If they ever add it I just imagine every bar will have at least one refugee from the latest 30k, grousing about the inability to sit down. You can just hear the bar talk now...
"Of course in my Connie, it's different. I like to hang around the mid-section..."
"YOU KNOW, the TROUBLE with F DEV, is they just don't understand IMMERSION..."
"Actually I feel the Banu have a far more interesting backstory..."
That's because it is a legitimate alpha. They are going through standard software development phases. For example properly optimizing and making it prettier at the end. CIG isn't doing that. In any case, Odyssey will actually be released and everyone can judge.
Its not like that excuse is universally abused for invested reasons. I guess monetary investsment DOES play a role (I usually try to make games work that I paid for instead of F2P titles which have a hick-up and I toss em). People are willing to give things time and wait. Nobody in his/her right mind really means "we want x and y RIGHT NAOW!!! The few who do are usually "corrected" immediately by the rest of the community. Peoples patience is further adjusted if reasons or procedures are explained in a sufficient manner. The dishonest defenders within the SC community might understand this very well but because they are dishonest they süend their time to distort statements, pick fights and move the goalpost in order to protect their chosen object of affection against all facts and logic. Suggesting that people who dare to critizise Star Citizens development are entitled impatient snowflakes who dont understand game development is ridiculous by now.
What would be interesting to see is how EDs apologetic community would look like if EDO wouls sit in alpha for 4 years straight with next to no measurable progress. Would there be just as many people defending it to the hilt and being loyal to Frontier because they paid for it? Frankly I dont think Frontier will have such a long-winded development progress (based on their past track record) so we ll never know.
So "its alpha" has its place and definitely allows for delays but at some point it starts to sound hollow and eventually ridiculous. In Star Citizens case its very much a meme by now and you never really know if whoever states it actually means it or just tries to be funny or poke the dead horse.
I like to think that I dont use the statement in an apologetic capacity but I do use it of course when I feel that its actually the reason.
Well I think thats expected outcome. SC has no mechanisms to allow player avoid unwanted PVP. Unlike most MMO's. Usually in ED forums cry is about mechanisms allowing players to disregard PVP side. Btw. got some PVP stuff myself last week, went to hazres to harvest some NPC pirates, then I began to wonder that there something wrong with my bloody Cutter today, did they nerf shields? Ok second run to same place. Ahha, there was that single hollow triangle, THAT answered my question. Though that cmdr did not manage to destroy my ship, at worst it was 50% hull left
Personally I think it shouldn't be alpha this close to release anymore, but I rather mean the pattern of defendants is the same. Someone brings up criticism and someone is guaranteed to hop in and have "It's alpha!" at hand.
This is the crux of the matter. FD have a deadline (especially with the end of their financial year approaching) and have to release.
CIG can just waffle on why something wasn't ready, remove it from the roadmap, then do a ship sale and backers will celebrate.
Ahh sure, you are allowed to criticizes the game in alpha as long as it's not just to open a new saltmine however there are some who expect this to be a 100% bug free release and to them the "it's alpha" is kind of the correct answer.
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And soon you'll have to listen to SC guys doing the same in the EDO bar
EDIT: I'm genuinely so glad there's no proximity chat in there at the moment. If they ever add it I just imagine every bar will have at least one refugee from the latest 30k, grousing about the inability to sit down. You can just hear the bar talk now...
"Of course in my Connie, it's different. I like to hang around the mid-section..."
"YOU KNOW, the TROUBLE with F DEV, is they just don't understand IMMERSION..."
"Actually I feel the Banu have a far more interesting backstory..."
Proximity voice chat would a great addition to ED, as long as you also have the option to deactivate it
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Absolutely correct. Although not expecting bugs after release is also a pipe dream for EDO
. There will still be a ton. Just not too many of the gamebreaking kind, hopefully.Things is that, having said that, even having bugs after release has a price that FDEV will pay in both critic reviews and sales, so the incentive is clearly there to not have them. Unlike SC where CIG has absolutely zero accountability and which excuses any and all performance and bug issues with "9+ year long alpha". EDO will indeed meet its destiny full on, and the DLC will succeed or fail based on its merits on a very specific and limited time frame putting at risk own funds, unlike SC´s evergreen and accountable free ride funded with money from others and at zero risk.
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right on the money, they will need to eat that cake if they release it with bugs that is found and known in alpha, that will boomerang back to a financial slap! CP2077 looking at yooou!Absolutely correct. Although not expecting bugs after release is also a pipe dream for EDO
Things is that, having said that, even having bugs after release has a price that FDEV will pay in both critic reviews and sales, so the incentive is clearly there to not have them. Unlike SC where CIG has absolutely zero accountability and which excuses any and all performance and bug issues with "9+ year long alpha". ED will indeed meet its destiny full on, and the DLC will succeed or fail based on its merits on a very specific and limited time frame putting at risk own funds, unlike SC´s evergreen and accountable free ride funded with money from others.
Some backers may celerate, I'll sit on my $35 investment and patiently await the long trailed game (either of them would be nice to start with).
Ive noticed a few posts on Spectrum where the PVPers & Griefers say they cant wait for EDO. PVPers may like it and can organise fights or BGS battles but griefers & campers will find they get blocked quickly and with all the tens of thousands of Outposts etc they will probably find it hard to find a player in the first place. Add in no-fire zones etc and griefing wont be as easy as they think. I will certainly do FPS PVP even if just in CQC Arena equivalent like I do now but probably in main game which I dont do in ships. PVP in ED is mainly optional now except for noobs in Deciat or who came to the game expecting 'multi-player' Elite in Open, usually the salt threads are new players and the first time they get ganked, griefing is avoidable and blockable. Hoping EDO follows the lessons learned as well. (segregating myself from all Odyssey info of any kind until I can play it and see for myself so have no idea at present)
All the more reason to do an extended 'gamma' until its released on Console and we can all give feedback and be treated equally.
Theres growing discontent among some Console groups / players about whether they will get to give any feedback or it will all be decide before they play. I'm ignoring it all for my own sanity and salt retention rather than spilling it everywhere.but back on topic to SC - PVE / PVP slider was originally promised and paid for by early backers then removed as an idea. Then Armistice zones introduced then removed with some left that I understand will be removed eventually but no replacement of proper security or station defences that work. Dunno how many griefers (not PVPers) are Concierge plus extra money but I can see that the whales will get the ear eventually and some rules will be enforced somehow. With 40-50 players per server as it is it should be easy to get PVP & PVE servers filled up with the same playerstyles....for now. Eve is murder death kill so is Fortnite and they have their players but nobody plays those games expecting a PVE experience, or certainly shouldnt do anyway. SC has been sold to and taken money from all playerstyles and not through innocent mistakes either.
All the more reason to do an extended 'gamma' until its released on Console and we can all give feedback and be treated equally.
lol If Im a peasant its only coz Ive spent so much on ED 1 full price ED & Horizons for me and 2 Elite controllers in total now, 1 full price ED & Horizons for my nephew and 1 extra XB and controller and TV so I could actually get on the game in my own house!
Just be aware at least one console player objects to being called a peasant on the forums, they dont post here so youre probably safe, but you may get reported for wider use on other threads and not sure if its counted as flaming or not. I know its a joke from most people including you on this one, but some people may not take it as such, especially if it is due to money or low income. Personally I'm just too lazy to keep up with PC maintenance and upgrades etc
1 full price ED & Horizons for me and 2 Elite controllers in total now, 1 full price ED & Horizons for my nephew and 1 extra XB and controller and TV so I could actually get on the game in my own house!Just be aware at least one console player objects to being called a peasant on the forums, they dont post here so youre probably safe, but you may get reported for wider use on other threads and not sure if its counted as flaming or not. I know its a joke from most people including you on this one, but some people may not take it as such, especially if it is due to money or low income. Personally I'm just too lazy to keep up with PC maintenance and upgrades etc
Well for that "peasant stuff" I have to say that keeping somewhat tolerable PC for games is not exactly very expensive hobby. Of course peoples requirements about what is "tolerable" vary quite much. Overall since 2014 I have used about 1000 euros for keeping my PC to my level of tolerance. And games being cheaper kind of tend to balance things.
Honestly, when I can pick up a console with a slightly underclocked RX 6800 in it for less than upgrading my graphics card would cost, and without crypto-miners making them harder to come by, my desktop and laptops can stick with their RX 580s for now.
Mods, reign in the unruly peasants. I find console talk boring. I want to discuss stylish, posh fantasy words.
Maybe SC is just that? A fantasy game.
Maybe SC is just that? A fantasy game.