Hotas Recommendations?

I had the X55 and X56, but both had/have very poor quality. X55 died because of broken wires and X56 is constantly drifting to one side so I had to enlarge the deadzone but now flying feels strange.

Are there any good Hotas, best with a Z axis?

I also thought about making the big step and buy me a Virpil Hotas with rudders, but the price is currently holding me off.
 
Assuming PC Platform...

With any joystick, manual calibration of the stick may be required (via "Set up USB game controllers") and if you have electrical noise of the wires widening the dead-zone(s) then you could always try adding RFI Shield grommets (e.g. https://www.amazon.co.uk/s?k=RFI+EMI+Noise+Suppressor&i=industrial&ref=nb_sb_noss) to the the USB cables.

Personally, I have found the Logitech X56 (as opposed to the original Saitek X56) to be quite serviceable and does not necessarily suffer with drift issues.

Second to that, I believe I can recommend the Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog (less analog axis than the X56 but still a decent controller).
 
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Once you start to cross the $400 range ( x56 HOTAS prices ), you start to have a lot of nice choices. VKB, Virpil, CH..

I think at those price points it starts to come down to personal pref's. Much like Ferrari vs Porsche vs McClaren . All very nice, all will do the job.

I'd suggest a VKB Gladiator MK II, but they don't make 'em anymore. And VKB currently doesn't make a throttle.

Virpil has a REALLY nice combo, but the throttle alone is $375.. add in the joystick and you're easily into the $700+ range.
 
The vipril rudder, throttle and stick would cost me over 1100,- €, that is a bit much for a single game.
Cant understand why there is nothing in between the x56/warthog and vipril.
 
I'm quite happy with the X56 (the logitech version). I already had to set some small deadzones on the Z axis and the thumb mini-stick on the joy, but aside from that, great HOTAS.

In the future, I'll probably go for the Virpil Constellation Alpha stick and the Virpil Throttle, I've been salivating for it for quite some time now, but can't commit to spending that kind of cash while I still have the X56 working fine.
 
I've had a Warthog for quite some time. Its durable, the Saiteks I had before went bad.

I've not spent much time calibrating it, it works good enough for my needs though the dead zones and too sensitive on initial input could be changed for the better.
 
The next question is where to buy one. Maybe I’m looking in the wrong places, but all i can find recently is badly overpriced used units. Supply issue?

Aside from that, I’d be on the warthog in a heartbeat IF it had twist axis control.
 
Just to add, I have been using an X-52 pro for around four years with no issue. I have heard that the build quality of these units could be.... dicey? Maybe someone else could chime in. But for me all has been good, no key binds lost issue, no software issues, no hardware issues.
The unit itself feels perfectly intuitive with the game and it has enough buttons and button combinations to happily accommodate the whole game. ....Although I do use the mouse for the station menu’s, galaxy and system maps because it’s quicker.

I am Flimley
 
I think I will give the Warthog a try, Vipril is too expensive for the few hours I play the game. Just not sure if I should buy Thrustmaster TFRP rudder or Logitech G Saitek Pro flight rudder pedals.

All I need to do now is to wait for it to restock, so guess it will become a christmas gift to myself.
 
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Aside from that, I’d be on the warthog in a heartbeat IF it had twist axis control.

This isn't from a Warthog but the same thing can be done:

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It is my CH Fighterstick which also doesn't have twist - using pinky button as a push-to-hold assigned to Yaw to Roll means the x-axis produces yaw when button held down (fine control). The fore and aft on the thumb "bishop / mitre" hat switch gives stepped right and left yaw for a) larger inputs b) simultaneous yaw whilst x-axis is being used for roll. Looks awkward but is very easy to get used to.

No need for pedals.
 
My X52pro arrived in a couple of days, ordered direct from logitech.
Very pleased so far, but still customising the buttons,
 
I also thought about making the big step and buy me a Virpil Hotas with rudders, but the price is currently holding me off.

You are right, the price is steep and so is the learning curve on how to set "things&stuff" up. IMHO though, this is currently the best, the most sophisticated, and precise system (still within consumer/gamer grade) on the market.

It took me two years to put it together, hence why grip and throttle are the previous generations. But I am very proud of what I have and you can probably imagine what lever of "immmmmmerrrrrsssssiiiioooon" I am talking about :)

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Problems I faced with VPC

#1 - ED does not support more than 32 buttons per controller. Opened the ticket last October, FDev still "confirming". I found the way to overcome and all the buttons and controls are usable on this setup (3 instances of vJoy and Gremlin on top of it to accommodate all the "not recognized" buttons)


#2 - Pretty complex VPC Configuration tool and not hell a lot of YouTube on this topic. Watching this guy helped a lot and now I am at least comfortable making changes and trying things

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtgR6HUJE6U&t=6s


#3 - VPC support is a bit overwhelmed and it takes them a bit to work with you shall you have any problems. Two wires on my setup required replacement so far, they worked with me through it and shipped replacement parts. Overall good experience and everything works



Overall, the highest score in my book and really a pleasure to fly


P.S. Next steps for me, map 747 in MS Flight Simulator 2020 and enjoy :)
 
I recommend CH products, like the Fighterstick Pro. Unfortunately, it does not have twist. I'm using a Thrustmaster 16000M joystick as my "throttle" for the required extra axis.

I used to have an X52 Pro, and it was just crap. The flip switch broke the first evening I used it. Pointless to the discussion, but I felt I had to add that because Saitek/Madcatz/Logitech are pants, and one should avoid them at all costs.
 
I have the Thrustmaster 16000M HOTAS and find it's decent. It splits the difference between the entry-level pieces of junk that no one wants and the exorbitantly expensive pro models that my wife would crucify me if I bought.

It's not perfect by any means. It's mostly plastic but still feels fairly durable. The stick is definitely prone to z-axis drift; mine got unbearable at about 500 hours of use. However, the fix is not difficult and since I did it (just followed a how-to on YouTube), it's been rock-solid. I like the functionality of the throttle, plenty of buttons, knobs and switches. The throttle downside to me, though, is the glide mechanism. The throttle slides on two horizontal metal rails inside. The resistance can be adjusted via a tension screw on the bottom and by lubricating the rails. I have found that finding and maintaining the sweet spot can be a bit of a hassle. To get the throttle sliding at my desired "smoothness" required heavy lubrication (WD-40 White Lithium grease) and a significant decrease on the tension screw. However, as the resistance decreases, the throttle grips the rails less firmly, making it extremely prone to "grabbiness". I can't think of a better term for it. If you keep the throttle moving perfectly along the plane of the horizontal rails, it's smooth as silk. If you get too far off-axis, it will "grab" and you'll lift the entire throttle up off the table or desk it's on. I find that even more aggravating than too much tension. So I've had to settle for a resistance level that is slightly too firm for my taste in order to minimize the grabbiness.

I found an open-box at Best Buy that included the rudder pedals, which I didn't want to use so I sold them. Between the open-box discount and the money from selling the pedals, I think my net cost was about $100. So at that price, I feel like I'm getting great value for my money.
 
Virpil or VKB are the ones to go for. Superb quality.

I have an X56 currently, that's works well for me, but will want to upgrade at some point probably to the VKB NXT, due to price.
I'm almost in the same boat as you, although I want to upgrade my X56 to the Virpil Constellation joystick + the Virpil thottle. But only when the X56 is no longer usable (I already have to set some deadzones, especially in the twist axis).

I admit I feel quite guilty for wanting to spend that much money on what is essentially a toy, but I'm madly in love with the Virpil set from the first moment I saw it, it's going to have to happen sokner or later :)

The fact I regularly play many flight games (ED, IL-2, MSFS2020) and still have a bunch of others lying around (DCS, X-Plane, X4 Foundations, Heliborne, Evochron, etc) helps diluting the guilt :D
 
I have the Thrustmaster 16000M HOTAS and find it's decent.
It's not perfect by any means. It's mostly plastic but still feels fairly durable. The stick is definitely prone to z-axis drift; mine got unbearable at about 500 hours of use. However, the fix is not difficult and since I did it (just followed a how-to on YouTube), it's been rock-solid.
I have the T16000m also and I have to NOT recommend it. I also had the z-drift after a couple of months, then I fixed it, then it returned and I fixed it again, then it returned and I couldn’t fix it. I never disassembled the POT I just relieved the pressure on it, maybe the 3rd time it needed to be taken apart but I opted to replace it with a Hall effect sensor which has worked well but requires soldering and tweaking and time time time. Also, I broke tabs on 2 buttons which I cannot find replacements for.
It’s such a comfortable stick and I love the throttle but with these kinds of problems how could I recommend it?? Get a VKB instead.
 
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