Request for a "Player Council", Resurrected DDF, Streamer Representation to Dev track, Focused Feedback or Similar Directed Community Engagement

Madrax573

Madrax573
Given the size of the player base and the tiny amount of players that would be interested in being part of such a 'council' then it's a hard no from me.

No way a tiny percentage of players should be able to sway the devs thoughts that affect so many IMO. We have enough of that stuff IRL keep it out of games please.
 

Chrystoph

Chrystoph
I think that, were such a thing to be implemented, you would need to ensure that 40% of the membership needed to be moderates. The rest would be special interest group representatives of one variety or another.

Of course, that begs the question of who defines the moderates...
 

who?

who?
Only way I'd accept it, is if anyone who wants to be on Council is banned from being on the Council.

Something like this, before the game launched was one thing.. new players would then come, try out the results of the Council's feedback, love the game and play it or hate the game and move on to something else.

But now? Everyone of us feels we own the game, we lose bladder & keyboard control if as much as a shader or an ATC's accent is changed. Having a Council subset of players advising Frontier on which changes to make, would start a not-very-civil war.
 

lysan

lysan
Everybody need to have access to submit ideas, we don’t need some special group to represent the players, FDEV should be smart enough to filter the best ideas and develop them further.
 

Darth Ender

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Here's my suggestion as self appointed grand admiral of the new DDF council of 1

split the game into 2 entirely independent games.

1. Offline or independent online single player game with full mod functionality. This should stop these players from ruining the game for everyone else. This game has it's own parallel narrative and plot and all determined by the mods you use. None of the hand-placed or server-side triggers will work in this mode. New server side triggers can be created in community servers or self-run servers if doing offline mode. This game is not canonical. All store purchases would exist and work in this game the same as in the canonical game except you would not earn arx.

2. The existing persistent connected game.

Boom. Then we'd finally be able to fix the game in a way that the players can agree on and progress forward instead of be 6 years into a game where the devs are too afraid to make any changes to anything after the moment of release because it will upset some faction of players.
 

Winterwalker

Winterwalker
Want to break free the status quo and end all the corruption? Then vote Winterwalker !!
Major credit cards accepted and remember I care! Especially just prior to the election.

p.s. Your heart's in the right place OP but this isn't really a democracy. FDev's game, FDev's roadmap, FDev's code.
They're not daft enough not to listen though, even when "unimportant" people come up with insightful ideas.
 

AngryAntz

AngryAntz
I don't want you lot deciding what I like :)

I certainly don't want some "influencer" (who in the real world are nothing more than "some rando on the internet"), that I don't know, have never watched and don't care what their feeling are on any matter within the game. Their only purpose is to get "clicks", not to do what is best for the game, life or anything else for that matter.

And I definately don't want someone who uses "we" instead of "I" when making a post anywhere near a council.

But I nominate Ratty, Top Bottom and Leo (this has been a paid political announcement). :)
 

Chaparral

Chaparral
I rant and rave all the time on the forums to get my special little niche need met.

It's cathartic.

I think that it is good enough this outlet exists, and that we can box each other verbally over what "matters" in this game product.

Give them a break, I'm sure the volume is loud enough from this portal.
 

Susanna

Susanna
who? said:
Only way I'd accept it, is if anyone who wants to be on Council is banned from being on the Council.

Something like this, before the game launched was one thing.. new players would then come, try out the results of the Council's feedback, love the game and play it or hate the game and move on to something else.

But now? Everyone of us feels we own the game, we lose bladder & keyboard control if as much as a shader or an ATC's accent is changed. Having a Council subset of players advising Frontier on which changes to make, would start a not-very-civil war.
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We already have a not-very-civil war... And the gun is in the hands of the pew pew crowd.
 

CMDR M Kozak

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Alec Turner said:
While I'm always very wary of any kind of special group of people with privileged access to FD who get a closer line of communication with them than everyone else, there are many aspects of Odyssey which have left me really wishing FD would have consulted with the players about some of the development work they were about to embark on. As a trivial example lets take the recent genetic sampler mini-game fiasco. What really makes me weep is the thought that some developer will have spent their unbelievably valuable time developing that when, a 5 minute consultation with any one of hundreds (probably thousands) of experienced players would have elicited the immediate response "god no, that's a terrible idea". They could have saved so much wasted time and come up with a far better solution ... rather than simply having to admit they were wrong after the fact, remove it again and not have time to replace it with a better alternative. A much larger example would be the UI changes - and specifically the galaxy map. Again, I think any experienced user of the galaxy map would have immediately rejected the redesign and pointed out all the ways that the old galaxy map is better.
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The great misunderstanding here is the fact that, FDEV is not making a game FOR us or anyone else. They are making a game they can SELL - or believe they can sell rather. If you think that you are special in any way or form, you are mistaken. Its a business - not a democratic nation.

The very existance of Odyssey in its current form, is a prime proof of that thesis. I THINK that only a few people asked for a shooter when they wanted "legs". None of the dreams I have heard surrounding "legs" over the years are being addressed in Odyssey. I am actually confused about Odyssey being the DLC or my spacehip game being a DLC of Odyssey. Proof of that: Taxi service?... but my ships...?

I almost forgot: The very thing that is touted as "first footfall" is... fade to black. Not even a loading screen.
 

h2bz

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Instead of some glorified affirmative action group, devs really should refine their engagement and communication level with it's playerbase.

I personally like paradox development studio way with regular development diaries which has helped to inform and gather feedback on development process and even change things based on it. I do believe that success of their titles longevity is tied to good community engagement and regular updates. That is something I would like to see from frontier devs.
 

Alien

Alien
h2bz said:
Instead of some glorified affirmative action group, devs really should refine their engagement and communication level with it's playerbase.

I personally like paradox development studio way with regular development diaries which has helped to inform and gather feedback on development process and even change things based on it. I do believe that success of their titles longevity is tied to good community engagement and regular updates. That is something I would like to see from frontier devs.
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That is what is being suggested. More engagement with the playerbase.

The current problem with that is if Frontier put a thread on the forum "Hey we want your feedback on this feature we are thinking of adding to the game" The thread would be filled with people literally arguing with each other "I am right, you're wrong" "NO, I am right YOU are wrong" and it would go on and on and on. It would be like trying to pick out a faint whisper from white noise turned up to 11. Look at this thread, people can't even post in this thread without agreeing.

The DDF worked because it was a focused group. Its small size and exclusivity is the reason people didn't argue. Frontier didn't have a wall of white noise to sort through to get the feedback they were looking for.

So it's not really a surprise Frontier tend to ignore what's posted on the forum. It's like walking into a room of 30 5-year-olds, utter chaos.
 
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