I want a PP warfront
- Thread starter David Findley
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You asked if you would be able to take part in this narrative, the answer would be yes, you would just "refuse" to then get annoyed because people are doing stuff you "refuse" to do. Thanks for reading all my posts though, i really hope some of what I have to say sinks in and dispels some of the spurious ideas floating about wrt this topic.
Heh, PP. That is all.
Well that's a console industry problem, MS and Sony ones gouging their consumers and locking them out behind an extra paywall, but then the consumers got hardware for about 300 at a probable loss by the manufacturer so swings and roundabouts I guess.
Well when you actually refute some of the counterpoints to open only narrative that extends beyond challenging the meaning of words the I suppose its possible minds will be changed.
I'll linger a little to see if it happens
The main issue being put to me is that the suggesiton excludes people who would refuse to take part, it's not enough to bother with further than I already haveWell when you actually refute some of the counterpoints to open only narrative that extends beyond challenging the meaning of words the I suppose its possible minds will be changed.
I'll linger a little to see if it happens
Convenient.
Who's mind is going to be changed after 7 years of "Open vs Solo" anyway? I just like reading suggestions, even the ones I don't agree with, and don't think every suggestion to spice up PvP for the community who engage in that, is an active attempt to mess with or exclude the solo only players.
Robert Maynard
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.... and in doing so bought the right to affect the game, per Frontier's methods of publicising their game design, be it the Kickstarter pitch or various incarnations of the game advertising on their store, Steam, Epic, etc.
It's not so much the old marketing - it's the inconvenient (for some) fact that the latest marketing also refers to every player affecting the game.
Robert Maynard
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At present players in all game modes affect the narrative, by design - such a proposal would strip those who don't want to engage in PvP, in a game where PvP is an optional extra, of the ability to affect the narrative.
I think all this discussion about rights wrt to a marketing blurb doesn't matter, they could close it down and turn it into a pachinko game in six months time and there's nothing anyone could do about it. The community could rage on and on like that guy did on the kickstarter page did for years but in the end all this talk of "rights" is moot
I don't think it's "inconvenient" though I just think it's irrelevant
No they could just choose to take part they wouldn't be "stripped" of anything. If they don't WANT to that's not the same as being not allowed to.
Robert Maynard
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Use of the word "rights" might indeed be a bit strong. Put another way, all players have the privilege to affect the shared galaxy - and no players paid extra to deny other players that privilege.
Didn't see anyone suggest that their privileges be denied either so? Nothing that is added to this game in any of the modes is exclusive, FDEV provided all of us access to it.
Robert Maynard
Volunteer Moderator
It hinges on whether PvP is optional in all in-game features (CQC specifically excepted as it's not an in-game feature that affects the galaxy), or not. At present it is entirely optional, and I don't expect that that's going to change this long after release, especially after Frontier designed the game around players' choices of who to play among, or not, while affecting the shared galaxy. Those seeking the situation to change likely won't give up hope of such a change though, as demonstrated by the fact that the debate has been ongoing for well over eight years, i.e. since some of the first backers realised that other players would not need to play with them to play and affect the game.
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Robert Maynard
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Nothing is limited to a single game mode, by design.
Is CQC not a game mode then? Can I go take part in a scored PvP contest at a station or installation in my fighter in Open or Solo? Did they make a botmatch version for people who want PvE?
Robert Maynard
Volunteer Moderator
It's not an in-game feature that affects the shared galaxy. It is, however, the only PvP-only aspect of the game.
I think you're just picking and choosing what you call a game mode to suit your argument rather than accepting there is precedent for FDEV making PVP exclusive content. Besides that, I can see my CQC rank in my cockpit ingame as well. I could just make the claim I'm being excluded because I refuse to ever click on CQC. I wouldn't do that though, because I think that would be a poor, unjustified position to hold.
Robert Maynard
Volunteer Moderator
I agree that there is precedent that Frontier have made PvP exclusive content - and it was sold, for a time, as a separate game and subsequently removed. We can indeed see CQC rank, or lack thereof, in the HUD.
It is perhaps interesting that the only PvP exclusive content has no effect on the mode shared galaxy.