I want a PP warfront

Robert Maynard

Volunteer Moderator
TL; DR: it's not gonna happen mainly for technical and design decision reasons - Fdev would need to switch from p2p networking to a hosted servers model; this costs money. Modes would have to be dropped - and they were introduced because FDev broke the "offline mode" promise. Console players would start demanding refunds which means bad press all around (fdev introduces pay 2 win!!!111). Add to that: timezone difference, instancing difference - if the players opposing you are in the USA and you are in Europe there's a chance you won't be instanced with them or see "invisible ships" (happened in a WING even). The entire networking model of the game would need to have been reworked for server infrastructure and even then you usually have "regions" (EU, US, Asia) so still a possibility you wouldn't encounter your opposition in game...
The three game online modes, sharing the single galaxy, were pitched at the same time, i.e. at the start of the Kickstarter, with offline mode being added to the scope about half way through the Kickstarter. Offline mode was cancelled shortly before the game was released.
 
OP I would just ignore this rude repsonse, imo you can post all you want without having to be accountable to people demanding you do "research" before making a harmless post on a discussion forum. If they can't take the time to explain politely theres no need to take them seriously.

This subject has been discussed endlessly, and I mean endlessly, and all the problems have been discussed and regurgitated over and over again. If the OP just decides to come in and throw proposals around with actually doing the required legwork I think that's absolutely the height of rudeness. Yes, when putting ideas forward you need to do your research, he is the one proposing it, he should have studied all the problems of Open Only PP before deciding to throw around pointless ideas.
 
This subject has been discussed endlessly, and I mean endlessly, and all the problems have been discussed and regurgitated over and over again. If the OP just decides to come in and throw proposals around with actually doing the required legwork I think that's absolutely the height of rudeness. Yes, when putting ideas forward you need to do your research, he is the one proposing it, he should have studied all the problems of Open Only PP before deciding to throw around pointless ideas.
You're not the idea police though, by all means if you don't think it's worth discussing feel free not to but why tell what they should and should not post. It's not rude to propose something about Elite's gameplay mechanics on the Elite forum. They don't have to "study" anything, this isn't a university it's a game discussion forum not some arena for amateur academics to ruthlessly police each other.
 
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You're not the idea police though, by all means if you don't think it's worth discussing feel free not to but why tell what they should and should not post. It's not rude to propose something about Elite's gameplay mechanics on the Elite forum. They don't have to "study" anything, this isn't a university it's a game discussion forum not some arena for amateur academics

He is putting idea forward on a discussion forum, he should be prepared to defend those ideas, one of the ways to defend those ideas is to research the problems previously associated with the idea he is putting forward, if he can't even be bothered doing that then he isn't going to be able to defend it when people bring up objections. By all means he can put ideas forward, by the same token I have every right to both criticise those ideas and any lack of forethought put into them.

They don't have to "study" anything,

Putting forward ideas and suggestions absolutely requires you understand the problems caused by those ideas and suggestions and why they have gained no traction over the last 5 years, because until that's done the idea or suggestion will justbe rejected outright by people who do understand the problems. So yes, that's a requirement, to understand the problem and suggest ways it should be fixed indeed requires "study". Ignoring that is how we get a world full of nonsensical conspiracy theories.
 

Robert Maynard

Volunteer Moderator
I understand why people are opposed to open only content, but I don't really think the 4th wall matters in ED given how gamey and inconsistent the universe is. Though I would like to see someone explain the open only "NVIDIA Titan " GFX card competition form 2015 using only in uninverse lore haha
Like the "Race to Elite" before it (https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/race-to-elite-competition.76535/), the NVidia Titan competition (https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threa...n-black-in-our-in-game-scavenger-hunt.131659/) did indeed require to be completed in Open only.

While two competitions for RL rewards required to be carried out in Open, the Dangerous Games (https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/the-dangerous-games-the-rise-to-power.243226/), the competition between groups of players to become the eleventh Power in Powerplay, had no such requirement - consistent with the pan-modal implementation of Powerplay.
 
Putting forward ideas and suggestions absolutely requires you understand the problems caused by those ideas
No it doesn't, no where in the forums rules does it state this. By all means argue with them, tell them why they are wrong , but they have every right to make the proposal if that's something they would like to see in the game. I noticed some other people in the thread took the time to explain why, at least they respect the OP enough to tell them what they feel is wrong with the idea. Just telling people to go away and not to post is pointless and if you're going to just tell everyone you disagree with to stop posting their ideas, you're the one not respecting the discussion forum.

Also this may be off topic but since you brought it up: if you want to live in a world filled with "nonsensical conspiracy theories" have all your science communicators be rude and arrogant to the people who ask questions and they will sharp lose interest in critical thinking and the pursuit of knowledge.
 
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Like the "Race to Elite" before it (https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/race-to-elite-competition.76535/), the NVidia Titan competition (https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threa...n-black-in-our-in-game-scavenger-hunt.131659/) did indeed require to be completed in Open only.

While two competitions for RL rewards required to be carried out in Open, the Dangerous Games (https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/the-dangerous-games-the-rise-to-power.243226/), the competition between groups of players to become the eleventh Power in Powerplay, had no such requirement - consistent with the pan-modal implementation of Powerplay.
All very correct but i still that 4th wall has a few cracks in it
 
No it doesn't, no where in the forums rules does it state this.

This is getting stupid, it's not a forum rule, it's a basic rule of common sense and normal human discussion, you ignore those rules at your own peril. You don't need forum rules to tell you how to hold a discussion, how to put forward an argument, do you really think it needs forum rules for that?

If you put forward an argument or proposal you have to be prepared to defend it!
 

Robert Maynard

Volunteer Moderator
All very correct but i still that 4th wall has a few cracks in it
Indeed.

While the game permits players to shoot at anything they instance with, facilitating PvP in the multi-player game modes, the game also permits players to log out from the menu, at any time, possibly subject to a delay if "in danger" and the ability to block other players as they see fit. Noting that, in a thread relating to a player being persistently interdicted, then Lead Designer Sandro Sammarco had this to say just a few days before the game launched:
Hello Commanders!

In this instance, blocking the Commander might prove quite useful.

When you block somebody, a couple of things should happen.

Firstly, you will receive no communications from them.

Secondly, during any transition where matchmaking is at work (so basically, hyperspace jumps, entering and exiting super cruise) you are much less likely to be matched with the blocked Commander.

Blocking becomes weaker when it comes up against friends (and next year, player wings), because if a blocked Commander is in the same session as a friend (say, because they haven't blocked the Commander, the blocking effect is overruled by the friendship matchmaking.

Outside of this case though, blocking should work fine.
The block feature has only ever been strengthened and made easier to use since that time.
 
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This is getting stupid, it's not a forum rule, it's a basic rule of common sense and normal human discussion, you ignore those rules at your own peril. You don't need forum rules to tell you how to hold a discussion, how to put forward an argument, do you really think it needs forum rules for that?
"peril" ? Okay no need to make threats haha.. but seriously I'm just saying, don't chase people off just because you think they are wrong, it's worth talking to people even if you don't agree with them, especially if you have shared interests like Elite or something. It's why the forum exists.
 
"peril" ? Okay no need to make threats haha.. but seirously I'm just saying, don't chase people off just because you think they are wrong, it's worth talking to people even if you don't agree with them, especially if you have shared interests like Elite or something. It's why the forum exists.

I'm not chasing anyone off because I think they are wrong, I am asking him to defend his proposal, as simple as that, and he can't because he hasn't bothered to look into all the problems presented by Open Only PP. If he can't defend it then it's not going anywhere regardless of how enthusiastic he or anyone else is about it! I am talking, he is ignoring the problems of his proposal that are brought up.
 
I'm not chasing anyone off because I think they are wrong, I am asking him to defend his proposal, as simple as that, and he can't because he hasn't bothered to look into all the problems presented by Open Only PP. If he can't defend it then it's not going anywhere regardless of how enthusiastic he or anyone else is about it! I am talking, he is ignoring the problems of his proposal that are brought up.
Well then if I was genuinely interested in using some form of discussion I would simply start by listing the issues I have with it instead of just saying "no go do your research" because that wouldn't be helpful, It's just one forum member being rude to another and policing their discussion. If it was a discussion I had had before and wasn't interested in I would just ignore it. Also just because you may perceive something as a problem dosen't even mean it actually is. They can still say "I don't think that's a real problem" or whatever, and they may be right (or wrong).
 
"White Knighting"... Sorry I didn't mean to interfere in your weekly bullying session of people who don't agree with you. Also how quick do you think I could get to Mars on a brachistochrone trajectory with a fuel to payload ratio of 100000000:1 and an IST of around 460 compared to one NASA might launch today? Asking for a friend..
Given that the OP has expressed a position of, I'm right, period, that is rich.

He hasn't even put forth support for his position. His whole "solution" to the problems delineated has been to dismiss them out of hand with a side order of mockery.
 
delineated has been to dismiss them out of hand with a side order of mockery.
ngl I cringed hard reading that. But to address your point the OP said "a well-written war narrative, similar to CG's but specifically for players in OPEN PP, would really hike drama and excitement. Be a great way to launch Odyssey..." I didn't see any "problems" that needed a "solution" being proposed they just said they would like to see this in the game, I think there's obviously some projection going on wrt their original comment.
 
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ngl I cringed hard reading that. But to address your point the OP said "a well-written war narrative, similar to CG's but specifically for players in OPEN PP, would really hike drama and excitement. Be a great way to launch Odyssey..." I didn't see any "problems" that needed a "solution" being proposed they just said they would like to see this in the game, I think there's obviously some projection going on wrt their original comment.
Really...

You're going to ignore everything that came after when it comes to the argument while accusing anyone that opposes that position of bullying in the same sentence?

For some odd reason, the action you are performing is not considered a violation of the forum rules, but labeling that you are is.

I'll just leave this thread with the fact that neither you nor the OP refuted the problems I brought up, you both just refused to address them.
 
For some odd reason, the action you are performing is not considered a violation of the forum rules, but labeling that you are is.
If you wanna namecall me just DM me lol if it means that much to you.. what behaviour of mine is it you would you like to ban? Defending the OP's right to make a suggestion ? The OP said they wanted to see a feature, that's fine, they are not obligated to have their time burgled by everyone who responds to their post so it's up to them if they want to address anything you have to say. And yeah i guess there are limits on how rude you can be to someone just because you don't share their point of view on a video game's mechanics, I don't think that's "odd" at all.
 
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