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But the current pandemic is not too serious. The vaccination is not a condition for survival.
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But the current pandemic is not too serious. The vaccination is not a condition for survival.
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But the current pandemic is not too serious. The vaccination is not a condition for survival.
"But the current pandemic is not too serious." Wrong!
"The vaccination is not a condition for survival." And, very wrong.
A quick vaccine is one thing.
Having a minimum of 5 years of hindsight is another thing.
And for the moment, the hindsight is only a few months.
Anti-vax rubbish.Help surely,
But the current pandemic is not too serious. The vaccination is not a condition for survival.
I would not want to be a member, of any club; that would be happy, to have me as a member.Welcome to the club
The US government spokesperson also said that since the US has enough vaccines from other brands to vaccinate the entire US population, they do not need AZ (which is still not approved in the US)."US President Joe Biden said on Tuesday he is intent on sending coronavirus vaccines to India as that country grapples with an unprecedented surge in cases. The announcement comes after the US said it would release its stockpile of 60 million AstraZeneca vaccines for international distribution following safety inspections by health authorities."
Biden says he is intent on sending vaccines to India
'We’ll be in a position to share vaccines as well as know-how with other countries who are in real need,' says US president - Anadolu Ajansıwww.aa.com.tr
Good for him and them.
Like Israel ...
For my part, I am not afraid of vaccines.
I have already received a lot of vaccines.
As I have often said on the forum, I judge the current epidemic not too serious at the planetary level and my environment, my lifestyle, my health etc ... mean that there is no urgency for me.
The pandemic is not too serious.
There have been much larger pandemics in the past.
There are 3 million deaths with the Covid.
Vaccination can help in large urban centers. In the rural world it is much less necessary.
Every year, the pollution kills 8 million people, every year...
You can compare.
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More action in the vaccine thread = possible sign of the eventual end of the crisis?
This is what the FDA site says:
Regarding requirements for them to start the consideration process.
From a safety perspective, FDA expects an EUA submission will include all safety data accumulated from phase 1 and 2 studies conducted with the vaccine, with an expectation that phase 3 data will include a median follow-up of at least 2-months (meaning that at least half of vaccine recipients in phase 3 clinical trials have at least 2 months of follow-up) after completion of the full vaccination regimen. In addition, FDA expects that an EUA request will include a phase 3 safety database of well over 3,000 vaccine recipients, representing a high proportion of participants enrolled in the phase 3 study, who have been followed for serious adverse events and adverse events of special interest for at least one month after completion of the full vaccination regimen.
Part of FDA’s evaluation of an EUA request for a COVID-19 vaccine includes evaluation of the chemistry, manufacturing, and controls information for the vaccine. Sufficient data should be submitted to ensure the quality and consistency of the vaccine product. FDA will use all available tools and information, including records reviews, site visits, and previous compliance history, to assess compliance with current good manufacturing practices.
The point is moot. Since millions in the real world have been treated, safely, any Phase 3 trial is now pointless. They can never make one big enough to compete. And, the data is in already.
There are always limits and safety considerations.
Not enough time has elapsed to eliminate the possibility of long term undiscovered problems. Similarly, we don't know if children's fruit yogurt in tubes will give them Alzheimer's because that came out in 1998, so not enough time has elapsed. (I really don't know!)
But the world doesn't have the time to check. If you are pulling a man out of a well with a rope nobody stands around wondering if that rope might be cancer causing and what should we do without the FDA to tell us?
Legit.
This is what the FDA site says:
Regarding requirements for them to start the consideration process.
From a safety perspective, FDA expects an EUA submission will include all safety data accumulated from phase 1 and 2 studies conducted with the vaccine, with an expectation that phase 3 data will include a median follow-up of at least 2-months (meaning that at least half of vaccine recipients in phase 3 clinical trials have at least 2 months of follow-up) after completion of the full vaccination regimen. In addition, FDA expects that an EUA request will include a phase 3 safety database of well over 3,000 vaccine recipients, representing a high proportion of participants enrolled in the phase 3 study, who have been followed for serious adverse events and adverse events of special interest for at least one month after completion of the full vaccination regimen.
Part of FDA’s evaluation of an EUA request for a COVID-19 vaccine includes evaluation of the chemistry, manufacturing, and controls information for the vaccine. Sufficient data should be submitted to ensure the quality and consistency of the vaccine product. FDA will use all available tools and information, including records reviews, site visits, and previous compliance history, to assess compliance with current good manufacturing practices.
The point is moot. Since millions in the real world have been treated, safely, any Phase 3 trial is now pointless. They can never make one big enough to compete. And, the data is in already.
There are always limits and safety considerations.
Not enough time has elapsed to eliminate the possibility of long term undiscovered problems. Similarly, we don't know if children's fruit yogurt in tubes will give them Alzheimer's because that came out in 1998, so not enough time has elapsed. (I really don't know!)
But the world doesn't have the time to check. If you are pulling a man out of a well with a rope nobody stands around wondering if that rope might be cancer causing and what should we do without the FDA to tell us?
The pandemic is not too serious.
There have been much larger pandemics in the past.
There are 3 million deaths with the Covid.
Vaccination can help in large urban centers.
Every year, the pollution kills 8 million people, every year...
You can compare.
So now you can tell the difference between numbers!
Did you get my 60 euros?
I am looking forward to your reimbursement. All 10 million!
Cristal for everyone! ( Will I have to pay taxes on that money?? )
It is precisely because the pandemic is not too serious that I will not take the risk of dying because of a serum.So now you can tell the difference between numbers!
Now it appears Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are triggering shingles cases.
Shingles is a disease linked to the reactivation of the chickenpox virus.
And yes the more time passes, the more the side effects appear.
Shingles is a disease linked to the reactivation of the chickenpox virus.
And yes the more time passes, the more the side effects appear.
It's probably extremely rare though, because I've had shingles twice, and the vaccine didn't trigger it in me. Same for other people I know. I've heard about those cases, and it seems to be something that doesn't happen very often.Now it appears Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are triggering shingles cases.
Shingles is a disease linked to the reactivation of the chickenpox virus.
And yes the more time passes, the more the side effects appear.
Well as I got time, here's something for the FDA EUA not full approval people:
Suppose god forbid , that your best person gets a heart attack. They are alive and in the hospital, stable for the moment. The heart doctor says
"Let's put in an FDA approved, Industry-standard stent"
What do you do?
No-brainer, right?
From 2012-
( Having some problems getting this paper, sorry. Will fix it asap. in the meantime, here is a conclusion from earlier- Oct 2000 JAMA
Coronary artery stents are essential in every modern interventional catheterization laboratory. Intracoronary stents have increased the safety of interventional procedures and have increased revascularization procedure success rates, decreasing the need for emergency CABG surgery. Data from randomized trials indicate that elective stenting of discrete lesions, de novo lesions, restenotic lesions, lesions in saphenous venous grafts, chronic totally occluded arteries, and infarct-related arteries improves clinical outcome. <- Started out as honest industry standard. )
From 2007-
COURAGE trial, stents = "PerCutaneous Interventions, PCI'
From 2017-
www.vox.com
2018-
www.aarp.org
2019-
med.stanford.edu
2021-
nutritionfacts.org
Since 2012, heart doctors have had mounting evidence that those stents do not work.
I first became aware this might be true back in the late nineties. My centre had published results for the first 100 heart attacks treated there. No stents used. We had none. But weirdly, we had better figures than places like Cleveland and Mayo Clinics. what-how? Why were more patients dying in major First World hospitals!?
Just because the FDA says it's safe doesn't mean a whole lot to me. They approved Remdesivir, and well, everybody knows I consider it warmed over garbage, with zero usefulness.
I have lost count of people we saved with non FDA drugs and devices.
25 years ago, I built a device in a muffler shop with Harry the garage mechanic, to extract a broken K nail from a man's femur. The alternative would have been splitting his leg bone open all the way to the knee. The public hospital in San Fernando still uses it, it's sterilized and stored with the other tools. AFAIK it's the only surgical instrument invented here. But I haven't asked around. People come up with stuff all the time.
You think the FDA had aught to do with that affair? Hahaha nope.
Let's look at the actual numbers ourselves. WHY are they putting in stents?
No benefit in stable disease. No pain relief. No lives saved. Percentage DIE from the proceedure.
Makes no sense?
You are looking at the wrong numbers.
Now ask yourself
Why is the USA dumping its lowest cost vaccine to use the one made by the *former Stent & Remdesivir Companyapproved by their buddies on the payroll at the FDA?
Don't complain too loud. We need those 60 million doses out here.
(*EDIT: for some reason, this company divested all stent business while very profitable in the year...2012. Gee. What a coincidence. )
Suppose god forbid , that your best person gets a heart attack. They are alive and in the hospital, stable for the moment. The heart doctor says
"Let's put in an FDA approved, Industry-standard stent"
What do you do?
No-brainer, right?
From 2012-
( Having some problems getting this paper, sorry. Will fix it asap. in the meantime, here is a conclusion from earlier- Oct 2000 JAMA
Coronary artery stents are essential in every modern interventional catheterization laboratory. Intracoronary stents have increased the safety of interventional procedures and have increased revascularization procedure success rates, decreasing the need for emergency CABG surgery. Data from randomized trials indicate that elective stenting of discrete lesions, de novo lesions, restenotic lesions, lesions in saphenous venous grafts, chronic totally occluded arteries, and infarct-related arteries improves clinical outcome. <- Started out as honest industry standard. )
From 2007-
COURAGE trial, stents = "PerCutaneous Interventions, PCI'
From 2017-
Thousands of heart patients get stents that may do more harm than good
Stents are commonly used for stable chest pain — but the devices may not be helping.
www.vox.com
2018-
Are Artery-Opening Stents 'Useless'?
The stent you may have for chronic chest pain is pretty much “useless,” according to a recent study. And, in may cause additional problems.
www.aarp.org
2019-
Stents, bypass surgery show no benefit in heart disease mortality rates among stable patients
A large, international study led by Stanford and New York University found that invasive procedures are no better than medications and lifestyle advice at treating heart disease that's severe but stable.
med.stanford.edu
2021-
Why Are Stents Still Used If They Don’t Work? | NutritionFacts.org
Over and over, studies have shown that doctors tend to make different clinical decisions for patients based on how much they will get paid personally.
nutritionfacts.org
Since 2012, heart doctors have had mounting evidence that those stents do not work.
I first became aware this might be true back in the late nineties. My centre had published results for the first 100 heart attacks treated there. No stents used. We had none. But weirdly, we had better figures than places like Cleveland and Mayo Clinics. what-how? Why were more patients dying in major First World hospitals!?
Just because the FDA says it's safe doesn't mean a whole lot to me. They approved Remdesivir, and well, everybody knows I consider it warmed over garbage, with zero usefulness.
I have lost count of people we saved with non FDA drugs and devices.
25 years ago, I built a device in a muffler shop with Harry the garage mechanic, to extract a broken K nail from a man's femur. The alternative would have been splitting his leg bone open all the way to the knee. The public hospital in San Fernando still uses it, it's sterilized and stored with the other tools. AFAIK it's the only surgical instrument invented here. But I haven't asked around. People come up with stuff all the time.
You think the FDA had aught to do with that affair? Hahaha nope.
Let's look at the actual numbers ourselves. WHY are they putting in stents?
No benefit in stable disease. No pain relief. No lives saved. Percentage DIE from the proceedure.
Makes no sense?
You are looking at the wrong numbers.
Money.
Now ask yourself
Why is the USA dumping its lowest cost vaccine to use the one made by the *former Stent & Remdesivir Company
Don't complain too loud. We need those 60 million doses out here.
(*EDIT: for some reason, this company divested all stent business while very profitable in the year...2012. Gee. What a coincidence. )
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