I understand, but a lot of people don't make the difference.
A potentially great game ruined by spite, incompetence and mediocre performance and poor AA
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That would be disrespect or lack of respect, not spite. What you describe is not taking the time needed to make a good game or working out the bugs. Spite is leaving in bugs or broken parts of the game to deliberately annoy the players.
I understand the point, but it's an overly simplistic view.
Frontier painted themselves into a corner and they had the choice of upsetting customers or shareholders.
In that situation, customers will always lose out.
If they keep persistently upsetting customers, then the shareholders will take notice, but frontier will have calculated that they can "get away" with the Odyssey release.
Not great, I agree.
Or, they could do what Hello Games did, get into gear and repair the damage. NMS was a dumpster fire at release, and the flak they got reflected that. But Hello Games pulled through, and now it's a good game. Lost reputation over a borked release is difficult but not impossible to regain.
It's not a dumpster fire. If you listed point for point everything that was wrong with Odyssey and everything that was at least ok or better .... trust me, the negative list would be much smaller than the positive list.
And just because I post "STOP BEING SO NEGATIVE" is not white-knighting. If that's "white-knighting" to you, I don't think you understand what the term means. Oh and if I was a shill, I'd have gotten a box from Frontier with a terrarium in it ... and I didn't get one. And that's not me calling those who got a box "shills" either, don't misunderstand what I said there.
You see, I have been critical of Frontier releasing Odyssey now (look up my post history, go way back, I literally posted the Picard facepalm meme in reaction to the release date announcement). I don't have to justify my opinion to you, you're a nobody. Do you really think Frontier are going to listen to ANY of these posts moaning about Odyssey?
I've been here, on this forum, longer than 99% of the current membership. I've seen Frontier change over the years. I have a much better idea of how Frontier operate than you (probably, I'm speculating here). And yet, I'm also a nobody to Frontier. They won't listen to me. What makes you think they'll listen to you?
Stop focusing on the negatives. Yes talk about them, that alone will bring to them Frontier's attention. But look for positives as well. It is not a dumpster fire, not at all.
I just understand why Fdev changed all the different UI's Galaxy map,System. Map, Mission screens,Outfitting, ect to such a complicated messy UI.
At least we can go back to Horizons.
Just think if Horizons was changed also......o the pain
At least we can go back to Horizons.
Just think if Horizons was changed also......o the pain
Ok, I did it already but :
BAD :
-Cockpit is way darker. Seems like I turned off the lights.
-UI in cockpit is way to dark, and hard to read. That's with gamma maxed.
-Radar in cockpit is ridiculously bright ?
-Overexposure for characters portrait. For people with dark hair, it's ok, you just have black hair now. For everyone else, you have white hair. The engineer pictures are all terrible because of that. Details, freckles and color are white washed. See here for more.
-My character inherited a stupid grin. So did my crew.
-Skybox is horrible. It's just white dot on a black canva. That's not how the sky look like, even from Earth with it's thick atmo. See here for more. Including my post with pictures if you live in a city and never saw a real night sky.
-Bookmark can't be set course directly. It's complicated now
-Galaxy map is way more complicated to use
-The entire new UI can be summed up as "everything takes a few more click and is less intuitive".
-We've lost the transition animation when changing ships. It wasn't the best thing in the world, but it was certainly better than a dark screen with a loading icon.
GOOD :
-I like that storage module are now organized.
-We have spacelegs, when it works (6missions 4 failed due to bugs).
You don't have a universal opinion. Neither do I.
Look at the trailer, the planet we have are different. There is even the leftover graphic option they use for the trailer (ULTRAFORCAPTURE). Sure, almost no computer can run with that option, but it makes everything closer to the trailers.
This person has the right approach.
Yeah, that's EXACTLY how businesses work.
Have you seen the reviews on Steam ?
I bet many of the Steam reviews from players that have never posted here
Either way it's really not worth getting upset over.
Overall, I'm going say it's probably a change to the rendering code or shaders (I'm not a dev, so I literally have no idea how it works)
I want make a couple of comments on specific points though ....
"Overexposure for characters portrait. For people with dark hair, it's ok, you just have black hair now. For everyone else, you have white hair."
Did you know that in real life, I have grey hair (those who've met me in real life can confirm). It's not all grey, some of it is still my natural hair colour of dark brown, but most of it is grey. Take a photo of me, and even without a flash, I have all white hair in the photo. I have no idea why it happens.
"The entire new UI can be summed up as "everything takes a few more click and is less intuitive"."
I agree. Frontier have tried to improve the UI, and in many ways it is improved, but it needs some tweaking. If you ever played the alpha back in 2014, you'll know that we never used to have route plotting. I managed to go to Sag A* back then (once the main game was released, not during alpha) and to do that, I had to tilt the entire galaxy map down so my eyeline was looking at Sag A*, scroll forward, like I was moving forward until I had a star say it was out of range. Then move back to an in range star. Then I could jump. I did this all the way to Sag A* Then Frontier changed it to bring in route plotting, and even then you could only plot 1,000ly at a time. The game is being constantly improved. the UI will be improved ... but not if all Frontier see is "AAGGHH WE HATE IT, YOU BAR STEWARDS!!!!!"
It's overexposure/whitewashing. All the engineer have white hair now. Mel Brandon is nearly white, and this is my character :
Notice how everything is white washed. Hair from red to white. Eyes from green to yellow-ish. Freckles invisible. Lipstick gone.
Steam reviews? You really think anyone cares about Steam reviews?
I never listen to movie critics ... except one, Mark Kermode. If he hates a movie, I know I'm going to like it. If he likes a movie, I know I'm going to hate it.
Never listen to reviews, esp on Steam
LOL!! You're the gift that really keeps on giving.
Steam review are very important for game companyies. Really. It seems a lot of people don't check forums, or press, and just follow steam review/trailers for their purchases.
And it will get fixed.
I know this is a poor analogy, but it's like painting a room at night with the light on, then in the morning opening the curtains and the sunlight makes the walls a slightly different colour.
That's my Hutton mug. It's silver, but the lighting is bad. If I took that image in daylight, you'd see it better.
People having white hair and being brighter, is a lighting/rendering problem in the game*. It just needs tweaking back a bit. Frontier will fix it.
*I am not a game dev, I do not know what I am talking about. Don't listen to me.
I dunno what's that white washing, but it's bad. And it's 3307, I'm sure photography is better.
Anyway, perhaps it will be fixed (hopefully). Perhaps not. But you have to understand, they took our money upfront, and we are left with what they may, or not, do in the future. That's hardly a fair deal, and I don't blame people for being disappointed.
I mean, I played 6 mission, 4bugged, 2 were completed. What did I pay for ? 1/3rd of content ? And I'm the lucky one, as I speak we have a multitude of apex taxi stuck in loops, and people can't leave them. No kidding, we can't interdict them, so they are left waiting for support.
Then you have the people who have horrible FPS and just can't play either.
What we have is a beta. And it's advertised as a release.
Every single game developer cares about Steam reviews because they can have a fairly substantial impact on sales and revenue.
Steam reviews are actually incredibly useful if you know how to read them. I've found a ton a great games that I wouldn't have otherwise with Steam reviews (and avoided a few turds as well)