I didn't preorder anything.
Just to be clear "you" wasn't meant to be singling you out in particular, English is weird like that. I meant "the people that bought pre-release or on release and complain now". I didn't buy it, based on the removal of VR support from the expansion. I'm waiting for VR support to be back in, it means on foot sections - and for what I gather from other threads, huge performance problems in "regular" VR sections. Meaning this will drip down to Horizons eventually. They can tempt me with a huge sale, because it's not worth for me without VR. I'm voting with my wallet here.
it is not above the realm of imagination to want a release of a game that asks you to pay money for it, and releases in an unoptimized, almost unplayable extremely buggy state. Watching Obsidian Ant's latest video you could tell that he was trying very hard to be polite about the state of the game currently, and could barely find any positives other than hoping things will be fixed faster than FDev's usual patch speed when it comes to bugs. And there's a lot of bugs. A lot.
And I say we're being milked like cows and expected to be happy about it. I have absolutely no qualms about buying odyssey even for $70 if it was worth it. It isn't for me, currently. You're talking about moral expectations, when it comes to a publicly-traded company. That's not how it works, unfortunately. And yet people take it calmly. In my opinion,
@Obsidian Ant should totally lose it on camera, so that maybe someone high up the managerial ladder would scratch their head and ask "have we really screwed it so bad that even OA lost his cool?". But no, people showered fdev with money. Job's done. Nothing to see here, see you in two years, suckers.
IMO, downplaying the issues right now is worse than being angry at people who preorder a game expecting it to, you know, actually work as advertised. Sometimes outrage is needed to light a fire under the management of these games, but downplaying it cuts the voice of the gamers that want to inflict enough negativity to push for change in the product they buy. You say this release is consistent with their past offerings, but point your finger at your fellow gamers rather than the million dollar company asking you to fork over another $40 for a game that has microtransactions, and that's happy with delivering the sad status quo because half their fanbase thinks is this fine and the other half doesn't.
It's mind boggling.
If you got the idea that I'm downplaying the issues, it was probably a miscommunication on my part. I only said that it's a) consistent with what FDev always does and b) consistent with what every major release looks now more or less. Because when your responsibility is with sales numbers and shareholders, and not with the actual customer who is merely a pawn in sale stats, you won't be bothered by the "wave rage", you weather through it while already banked those sweet sweet sales numbers which then you will proudly present on the quarterly report.
And sorry, we (gamers) are to blame. I'm doing my part, as I said, I don't have odyssey and don't plan to buy it soon, unless discounted or VR is back in. Despite being interested in what the DLC offers mind you, because I was advocating for
Space Legs since start. If enough people followed through with that, maybe that would send a message loud enough. Companies won't listen to us gamers if we're complaining (we're already a complaining bunch). They will listen when their numbers tank like fps in Odyssey, harr harr.
So I'm comfortable pointing fingers, because I do as I say. CP was the last game I preordered (and that was basically on trust given spotless record, now no more spotless). Before that it was X:R and FO4VR, but in the latter case, I got a very good discount on FO4VR, so I wasn't complaining and patiently waited for them to fix it. Currently I wouldn't even preorder HL: Alyx, but I was given it alongside my Valve Index. Because even if CDPR, the "saints of the industry" can "do wrong", who won't. No trust whatsoever.
Heck, even witcher 3 is back in the Steam top seller lists, together with CP2077.
Witcher 3 at 5€ or so is a no-brainer if someone doesn't yet have it. There are new gamers that were too young when it released for example
As for CP... if you're on a PC, the bugs I experienced weren't so bad, and they patched a lot of them by now. So actually sensible people who didn't shower CDPR with money based on pre-release hypetrailers (guilty as charged here, but it was more of a national pride thing and CDPR can do no wrong, right? right?!), are now buying the game, and at a reduced price. It's a sensible, rational behaviour. And shame for me for yet another time trusting a software company on pre-release marketing. But now there isn't a company that I trust enough to pre-order. Either give me tangible discount for trusting you with my money pre-release, or no sale.
