Yong Yeas take on Elite Dangerous Odyssey (Not Good)

The outrage is well earned. The industry has become extremely anti-consumer.
I agree, industry nowadays has two source of income: customers and shareholders.
The final products need to technically match the customers requirement, but the development process needs to match the shareholders plans.
The problem is that in the end the final product is technically compromised by the shareholders plan that is where the management got the main attention.
Hopefully one day these things will converge to the same target, but currently they're all the way divergent.
 
Disliking a videos game on youtube does exactly the same thing :)

This game went from niche to mainstream is a single post.
Nope, on the Asia Steam Top Seller list Odyssey has officially dropped out of the top 100. It's now at 107 behind Gary's Mod.

It'll probably be a little higher in Europe/US, but that's purely because as Ronnie Chiang jokes: Asian people just want things that work. Thanksgiving means nothing to me. :)
 
Disliking a videos game on youtube does exactly the same thing :)

This game went from niche to mainstream is a single post.
Which is very positive, this time FDEV got many eyes on them so they can't afford to fix the bare minimum like they recently did.
I mean, the time between Beyond and Odyssey was dedicated to bug fixing (that's what they stated back in 2019) but we all remember what happened with the September 2019 patch... which actually introduced more bugs than the ones that got fixed.
 
OT but why do I get a big empty space every time someone posts a YT link in a post? Just empty space, where the video would be, with a tiny source link at the bottom? Have turned all extensions off (using Chrome).?
 
OT but why do I get a big empty space every time someone posts a YT link in a post? Just empty space, where the video would be, with a tiny source link at the bottom? Have turned all extensions off (using Chrome).?

You have to allow cookies before the forum displays them.
 
Never heard of him, but then i have very little time for youtubers, except Yamiks - he makes me laugh.
Aaaand never be fooled by 'alleged' 1million subscribers, i could tell you a story but id end up in court.

Fly safe
 
Never heard of him, but then i have very little time for youtubers, except Yamiks - he makes me laugh.
Aaaand never be fooled by 'alleged' 1million subscribers, i could tell you a story but id end up in court.

Fly safe

Lol, yeah, it's all "fake" subscribers when it's someone airing the game's dirty laundry.

It's really just demonstrating how very, very sheltered a lot of the people who post in these forums are. If you know Yamiks but not Yong Yea, then you're simply not getting out very much at all.
 
Lol, yeah, it's all "fake" subscribers when it's someone airing the game's dirty laundry.

It's really just demonstrating how very, very sheltered a lot of the people who post in these forums are. If you know Yamiks but not Yong Yea, then you're simply not getting out very much at all.
If you think 'getting out' is spending hours watching Youtube then we have a different life style :)

Fly safe
 
Good balanced video, it sums up Odyssey to a tee. Its a shame that FEDev dropped the ball yet again, I had hopes that Odyssey would bring abit more depth and gameplay to explorers, but now the only gameplay is screenshot simulator or a early 2000's twitch based shooter. But hey on a good note, all the usual suspects (fanboi) are getting great performance when everyone else is tanking :unsure:
 
If you think 'getting out' is spending hours watching Youtube then we have a different life style :)

Fly safe

No, but I would at least expect you to have heard of people like PewDiePie.

But I guess you think his 110M subscribers is all fake, and that companies pay him millions of dollars for a fake audience.

Meanwhile Yamiks has, what, 100K subscribers?

It's only fake because you're upset that the real world is intruding into your fantasy that everything outside of this "community" must be fake. In reality, it's the opposite. The real world is out there, and not here.
 
Genuinely never heard of Yamiks until now lol. The only ED YT I follow anyway is the member formerly known as Granite. ;)

And tbf youtube is a big place.
 
Argumentum ad populum is a waste of everyone's time.

I'm quoting this to point out, yet again, how a certain part of this community seems to think maturity is just finding fancy words that excuse their own lack of empathy, and even interest in what other people are experiencing.

But here's the reality; something can be popular for multiple reasons. Chocolate is popular, because most people like it. That doesn't mean those who don't are in any way wrong. But arguing that you can't appeal to popularity as quality when talking about chocolate proves the fallability of just grabbing names from a list of fallacies and trying to argue without understanding the correct application of fallacies.

People are pointing out that Odyssey is spectacularly disliked because the game is broken to all but the most self absorbed user, that the popular response is following, not setting the experience.

Regarding the popularity of YouTubers... It doesn't mean the criticism is automatically right, no. But in some ways I envy those of you with the ignorance of reality that means you get to dismiss their importance. Because if you've never had a massive injustice committed against you, you have no idea how important mass media attention is in seeking justice. Would George Flyod's killer have been brought to justice if the media hadn't chosen to focus on that story? Even with video evidence, killing by cop happens every week and often goes ignored. Protested against, but impotently because no one is listening until the story is too big to be ignored. The arrest of a journalist flying over Belarus? Belarus has been a nasty dictatorship for decades, but it's only when the media gamble of sending up a MiG to redirect the plane outraged the West that it became a story...

I have my own experience of this too; The Shroud of the Avatar community is riddled with scammers, pyramid scheme runners and outright sociopaths who get so outraged by criticism of the game (or at least, their ability to bring in new customers to then re-sell the items too for real money) that they made public and death threats towards my family, hacked my accounts, openly bragged about trying to get me SWATed (I live in the UK though, fortunately) ran fake profiles attempting to gaslight me, published comics obsessing about me... even went as far as writing to the devlopers themselves begging for help "harassing him until he goes insane", which the developers actually responded too positively, which lead to opening up an Arbitration Case, where it turned out the EULA itself which claimed coverage was a lie, and they just avoided turning up to the arbitration to avoid a judgement....

None of you seem to realise how hard doing the right thing is without media coverage. It would have taken thousands of dollars per hour to go any further and drag them into US Federal Court. I can tell you all about how there's no budget for police action, no real interest even unless it catches the media eye; 3 days before the fatal SWATing of an innocent bystander at Wichita, the lunatics stalking me were bragging about it happening to me. The lunatic who called in that fatal SWAT was himself out on parole for multiple previous ones. Only because it escalated to someone actually dying, and the media were all over it, did they finally jail the Wichita killer.

Meanwhile, I've worked in the gaming industry too; for EA on Ultima Online. I talk about the experiences behind the curtain in comments all the time online. And none of you know much about that either, because until you can get articles out there, and enough social awareness to force people to address the issues...

And all because of what? People are now so narcissistic they think computer games are more important than respect for other people and what they're trying to tell you?

You're not good people because you don't like criticism of computer games; Quite the opposite, it's shallow, selfish and destructive even to the games themselves to fanboy so hard you think you have the right to try and shut down criticism by anything from inaccurate and simplistic application of fallacies you clearly don't understand, through attempting to discredit anyone who talks about the issue (as just another youtuber etc, instead of educating yourself about what reach someone actually has) up to the extremes that I've personally witnessed, and unfortunately even further beyond.

When all you had to do was say "The negative experiences of others are more important right now, because I already have what I like, and their needs aren't addressed".

That's it. That's all it takes to actually be a better person. Of course they're reaching out to the media, because you're happy with the status quo and refuse to listen.

Your feelings of disquiet that you can't just quietly enjoy a product aren't the important issue right now. You just think it is because you're putting your own enjoyment above anyone else. Hell I'm sure the developers at FDev themselves wish they could get the budget and time to polish their game. Not as much time as they might wish of course, because artists are never happy, they always think they could do better. But it's pressure from shareholders who demand fiscal year releases, and gamers who refuse to accept their beloved has flaws and don't push for improvements that get in the way. Right now some management jack off is saying "But look, the Forum Dads are happy with the state of Odyssey, why should we go back and fix everything you've listed, that'll cost us so much money..."

The only really good things that exist are here because smart, moral, hard working people fought and struggled to turn bad things into good. They're not here because they listened to people who stuck their fingers in their ears and went "La la la, I'm not listening, here's a lot of passive aggressive screenshots proving how good Odyssey is, and thus how good I am for sitting here saying 'look what a great eye I must have for appreciating these procedurally generated hills'...." You know which game was also full of such navel-gazing narcissists, whittering on about how above the crowd they were for praising screenshots, but the devs ignored them and worked their balls off to earn the actual praise? No Man's Sky. The popular good will that game has now is because they went out and earned it.

And THAT is how you do "Argumentum ad populum" correctly.
 
Yong Yeas not well known in the gaming community??? what.

This forum is just full of unending denial. Holy s...
What denial is there in saying "he makes good points but I don't know who he is?". Gaming is bigger than the movie industry, a million subscribers is less than a fraction of 1% of all gamers. I have nothing against the dude but I for one also never heard of him. That's not denial, it's a basic truth.
 
The denial and dismissal in this thread (well on the whole forum a.t.m) is ridiculous. It does not matter squat if you, in your little bubble, have heard of Yong Yea or if you have not. It does not matter if you think he does legitimate games journalism or if you think he is an ambulance chaser. The fact is lots of people have heard of him. He is mainstream and he has an audience. The people who do know who he is and consume his content are the people who frontier would give their left (insert anatomy of choice) to engage with. People who consume games like they buy coffee. Spend, play, spend in game, move on ......come back periodically if they enjoyed themselves and spend again. This look is not good and this whole debarcle cannot simply be dismissed as Haterz gonna Hate.

I get that some people are passionate about ED and instinctively move to defend it at all costs. I can even understand defending the game .... we all love it and see its great potential. However for the love of all the gods large and small FDev the company don't deserve the blind loyalty they get from some quarters. FDev is not Braben and a band of plucky pioneers fighting for a vision anymore. They are a corporate entity and if you were ever in any doubt of that then look at the flames around you. They knew and they did it anyway.

Scrolling through my youtube feed this morning I saw OA's vid and gave it a watch and it is possibly the most critical I ever heard him. I always love his positivity in his vids. 'This must be getting bad' I thought. and then scrolling through my vids I saw Yong yea. Forum filters won't allow me to say what I thought then. This matters and it is heartbreaking. Dismiss it all you want but you are doing the game you love a disservice with the constant subservience to a corporate entity that cares not one jot about you as a customer.

On a personal level I did not buy Odyssey. I sooooo wanted to. The times I hovered over the buy button on my account page. I have wanted to get out of my ship since 2015. My legs are stiff. However I simply do not trust them anymore. The actual years of drought with the odd platitude of 'we are not ready to talk about it yet but please be excited' only for them to never actually be ready to talk about anything wore me down. And now .....when they need to speak out more than ever what do they do? They do what I thought impossible and go even quieter. Hey ho ......I should be used to it by now.
 
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