Yong Yeas take on Elite Dangerous Odyssey (Not Good)

Zinegata

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Nomadski said:
Genuinely never heard of Yamiks until now lol. The only ED YT I follow anyway is the member formerly known as Granite. ;)

And tbf youtube is a big place.
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True. In the context of Youtube as a whole, Yong Yea is a relatively small channel.

But in the context of the Elite streaming community... Yong Yea is bigger than all of them combined.

To a large extent how he reacted - and how his comments section is reacting - is what normal gamers actually act like. Seriously, there is very little juvenile bashing in his comments section. Most of it is simply correctly pointing the finger at Fdev for launching even though they knew it had all these issues.

Thing is, it's pretty clear a lot of people here are more interested in defending Fdev, than their fellow players.
 

Stikkit

Stikkit
keas66 said:
Another moron on You Tube with some "opinions" . I couldn't care less . Maybe the next one will be AngryJoe ! .
Seems like people with complaints looking for confirmation wherever you can find it . I spent the evening running larceny missions , collecting materials , shooting pirates , cashing in , all at min 50fps with no issues or bugs encountered
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well bully for you, we could all easily be labelled "morons" with "opinions" so I'm sure you include yourself in that.
 

Nomadski

Nomadski
Like I said, YT is a big place.

My nephew comes at me all the time with some guy that has 4 million subs that does some zany thing or other, that I've never heard of, nor really want to tbh.

I would say though, that some YT are extremely omnipresent within a certain genre, and Yong Yea, AngryJoe, the Pew guy are as synonymous with gamers as JayzTwoCents, Linus Tech Tips & Gamers Nexus are with PC tech.

But then they are only familiar if their content crosses over to your own interests I guess. In the top 100 subscribed gaming channels, I've only heard of about 4 of them and they range from 7.6m subs to 104m subs so.
 

Alien

Alien
Zinegata said:
True. In the context of Youtube as a whole, Yong Yea is a relatively small channel.

But in the context of the Elite streaming community... Yong Yea is bigger than all of them combined.
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Not if we include Cohh Carnage in that list ... or Burke Black who was playing Odyssey yesterday and today
BUT ... it's a moot point anyway as YongYea doesn't stream games (as far as I know)

Apples and oranges and onionhead and all that
 

Zinegata

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Alien said:
Not if we include Cohh Carnage in that list ... or Burke Black who was playing Odyssey yesterday and today
BUT ... it's a moot point anyway as YongYea doesn't stream games (as far as I know)

Apples and oranges and onionhead and all that
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Lol, no. This is you being bad at math.

Burke Black only has 37K subscribers. Even if you had him on top of the existing Elite streamers, Yong Yea still easily beats them all combined.

Cohh Carnage is a better pick, since he has nearly 300K. But he hasn't played Elite in a long time.

Indeed, if you weren't so busy trying to pretend the tiny Elite streamer community is bigger than it really is, you'd realize that Fdev hired Raptor (900K subs) and MightyJingles (650K) specifically to try and promote Odyssey.

The thing is, the game crashed like four times on Raptor's stream, and the live chat commentary couldn't help but point out how boring and broken the game was despite Raptor trying very hard to still sell it.

Really, the fact that Fdev keeps wasting money by having these livestreams show off their crashing game should really make it clear to everyone just how in denial they are of the launch problems.
 

Slange Lands

Slange Lands
lysan said:
Wasn't he the guy who praised CP2077 to the clouds, running the hype train into the ground, and then had to back paddle like crazy?
if so, zero credibility ...
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Yong Yea was really excited after he saw the demo at a private viewing at E3. He loved the demo.

However, he was really upset at the final product when it launched because of cp 2077 being practically unplayable during launch.

Yong Yea is my source for debriefing on gaming news. Sort of like Axios. He is also pretty careful about attributing his resources. When it is his personal opinion, he usually says so.
 

Slange Lands

Slange Lands
Greene said:
yong yea says a lot of things

the games fine there's some bugs but ive not experienced anything even remotely like what every one is complaining about i just experienced already completed missions failing because the mission timer ran out some how and every mission being for colonia and thats kind of it

i suspect this is happening

player: does certain mission 30 times
mission 1 time: breaks some how
player: OMG I'M SO SICK OF THIS DLC THIS IS UNPLAYABLE EVERY SINGLE TIME THIS PARTICULAR MISSION BREAKS!
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Awesome that you are having a great time.
However, regardless of your personal experience, it does not entitle you to dismiss the opinions of others.

People are very different in their assessment of video games due to a myriad of things like playstyle, when they actually started gaming, and how many different types of games they have played.

Praise the game as much as you wish.
Allow others to have their say, too, please
 

fourrunes

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name_already_in_use said:
The denial and dismissal in this thread (well on the whole forum a.t.m) is ridiculous. It does not matter squat if you, in your little bubble, have heard of Yong Yea or if you have not. It does not matter if you think he does legitimate games journalism or if you think he is an ambulance chaser. The fact is lots of people have heard of him. He is mainstream and he has an audience. The people who do know who he is and consume his content are the people who frontier would give their left (insert anatomy of choice) to engage with. People who consume games like they buy coffee. Spend, play, spend in game, move on ......come back periodically if they enjoyed themselves and spend again. This look is not good and this whole debarcle cannot simply be dismissed as Haterz gonna Hate.

I get that some people are passionate about ED and instinctively move to defend it at all costs. I can even understand defending the game .... we all love it and see its great potential. However for the love of all the gods large and small FDev the company don't deserve the blind loyalty they get from some quarters. FDev is not Braben and a band of plucky pioneers fighting for a vision anymore. They are a corporate entity and if you were ever in any doubt of that then look at the flames around you. They knew and they did it anyway.

Scrolling through my youtube feed this morning I saw OA's vid and gave it a watch and it is possibly the most critical I ever heard him. I always love his positivity in his vids. 'This must be getting bad' I thought. and then scrolling through my vids I saw Yong yea. Forum filters won't allow me to say what I thought then. This matters and it is heartbreaking. Dismiss it all you want but you are doing the game you love a disservice with the constant subservience to a corporate entity that cares not one jot about you as a customer.

On a personal level I did not buy Odyssey. I sooooo wanted to. The times I hovered over the buy button on my account page. I have wanted to get out of my ship since 2015. My legs are stiff. However I simply do not trust them anymore. The actual years of drought with the odd platitude of 'we are not ready to talk about it yet but please be excited' only for them to never actually be ready to talk about anything wore me down. And now .....when they need to speak out more than ever what do they do? They do what I thought impossible and go even quieter. Hey ho ......I should be used to it by now.
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Never Heard of him - but it really does not matter. His coverage is great advice for anyone that considers buying Odessey. He does it in a very straightforward and simple way that anyone can understand. Ad hominem attacks are for dumb people.
 

Flippimonkey

Flippimonkey
Ian Skippy said:
What denial is there in saying "he makes good points but I don't know who he is?". Gaming is bigger than the movie industry, a million subscribers is less than a fraction of 1% of all gamers. I have nothing against the dude but I for one also never heard of him. That's not denial, it's a basic truth.
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^See, here they are again^
 

Flippimonkey

Flippimonkey
Ian Skippy said:
You know every youtuber with 1 million subs?
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"See, unreasonable and unprovable query after making an anecdotal retort".

To be annoying. Yes, I know all the Youtubers. ALL THE YOUTUBERS!!! MUAHAHAHAHA!!!

Now lets get real. You really like ED. That's awesome. Go play it and enjoy, and let us "nerdragers" nerdrage to the nerd-eth degree. As soon as a patch allows me to play for more than 15 minutes I look forward to seeing you in the Black. o7
 

Darrack

Darrack
Zinegata said:
No, but I would at least expect you to have heard of people like PewDiePie.

But I guess you think his 110M subscribers is all fake, and that companies pay him millions of dollars for a fake audience.

Meanwhile Yamiks has, what, 100K subscribers?

It's only fake because you're upset that the real world is intruding into your fantasy that everything outside of this "community" must be fake. In reality, it's the opposite. The real world is out there, and not here.
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Not intending on getting into an argument, im too old for that, i would rather take advice/listen to the experienced folks who have been playing this game for a while than youtubers simply trying to increase their ratings.
All i was suggesting is that be careful with what you see on the internet, take it from someone who used to work for one of the biggest, if not the biggest global media/entertainment company's in the world.

Fly safe
 

Zinegata

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Darrack said:
Not intending on getting into an argument, im too old for that, i would rather take advice/listen to the experienced folks who have been playing this game for a while than youtubers simply trying to increase their ratings.
All i was suggesting is that be careful with what you see on the internet, take it from someone who used to work for one of the biggest, if not the biggest global media/entertainment company's in the world.

Fly safe
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Firstly, you're arguing.

And secondly, I really doubt that second part because I did work with the actual biggest global media / entertainment company in the world, and they wouldn't be wasting money on Youtube advertising if they believed all of the subscriber numbers were entirely fake.

Indeed, Fdev itself actually hired a couple of streamers with 1M or so subs, precisely because its streamer stable is objectively anemic in comparison.

Maybe instead of posturing about "be careful with what you see on the internet", consider that you're just mad at anything that contradicts your views?
 
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Slange Lands

Slange Lands
There is a lot of chaff on youtube, but there is great content, too.

Three of my favorite critics are Skillup, ACG, and Angry Joe.
Skillup taught me alot about game critique and what to look for in game. He is very philosophical and very often compares games to other artistic genres like literature and film.

Every ACG review breaksdown the quality of graphics, sound, game mechanics and fun factor in great detail.

Angry Joe is just plain funny (ymmv).

But what I love about them is their honesty. They often preface their vids with whether or not they are playing a free code given to them by the publisher. They might say that although they may like a game, others might not. If they dislike a game they will give you multiple examples in gory detail why they dislike a game. Which allows you to make an informed decision whether or not those negative opinions would affect you.

In addition, their reviews have often been corroborated by my experience.
They have saved me time and money.

It's exactly like buying things on amazon.

Independent honest media help us make more informed decisions.
 

gorankar

gorankar
Commander Biscuit said:
Think rationally for a moment. Would it irritate you if he was regurgitating good news, such as a large amount of copies sold or something similar. Probably not right? Then he'd be a scholar and a gentlemen around these forums, and how nice of him to show interest in a game he doesn't even play.
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I don't view talking about financials in the same light as I do gameplay. Good or bad, familiar with the game or not, financials speak for themselves. Discussing actual issues without any first hand knowledge may possibly be what annoys me. Not severely enough to do more than say it bothers me, but it annoys me all the same. As I said, and I am not fully sure why, especially considering that, while he might not play Elite, Yong is certainly a gamer.
 

EmmyV

EmmyV
I think it may be worth pointing out that not having heard of a youtuber, is certainly not the same thing as discrediting the situation at hand. I suppose I'd have to ask to what point do people want to accomplish? I've seen some rude, passionate replies from people on the verge of tears for... honestly I still don't know why. And so much vitrol to what amounts to the same "yells at clouds" response to a situation where the development team, including it's director, has already said they're working on it. Like, I dunno what you expect more out of it. Frontier is hardly a predatory gacha corp. They're certainly not like... I guess, hiding, anything nefarious or, well they wouldn't have youtubers or whatever taking turns railing against them. Nor are you seeing the game's playerbase universally defending the new content! So, I guess I don't understand the passion behind this one. It's like someone tipped over a sacred cow or something.
 
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