Has the hysteria died down yet?

[Cmdr Travers]

While I will admit the release of Odyssey was, it's fair to say, botched. The fact that David Braben made a public apology within twenty four hours of the launch, and the fact there have been multiple patches and updates since show a determination to make things right on Frontier's part.

I have to say though I was rolling my eyes throughout the first few days. The reaction, and especially the reviews posted by people on Steam really do demonstrate how unbelievably stupid people can be. I mean, I sometimes wonder how people this thick are able to stand upright and feed themselves

As an example, the "immediate reaction" of these people was "Odyssey is broken, it's unplayable, and this is clearly what the game is, what it was intended to be, and what it always will be". All this no more than 48 hours after the launch when patches and updates were already incoming, and Frontier had acknowledged the problems.

But no, this is just what Odyssey was and clearly it was never going to be fixed, and so the thick gobby brigade posted their reviews and messages. It's quite pathetic really. Has it died down yet, as I very quickly switched off so I could read something intelligent instead

 

[CMDR ZerØ]

Not sure where you saw the people saying this is what Odyssey was always going to be, but I think it's pretty understandable that people weren't happy with a £40 expansion, which was advertised as a finished product being released in this state.

Nice hyperbole and passive aggressiveness though.

 

[Cmdr Travers]

Not sure where you saw the people saying this is what Odyssey was always going to be, but I think it's pretty understandable that people weren't happy with a £40 expansion, which was advertised as a finished product being released in this state.

Nice hyperbole and passive aggressiveness though.

I was referring to the barrage of Steam reviews all saying the game was crap when they ought to have known the current state of Odyssey wasn't what it was meant, or going to be. People should know you post reviews of a finished game, as they're very unlikely to change those reviews later.

 

[CMDR ZerØ]

Steam reviews should reflect the current state of the game. What's the point in review scores, which are meant to help people decide whether to buy a game, if they're just saying what the game will be later?

Also, as I stated above, this was released as a "finished" game. Not an alpha or a beta. What's wrong with reviewing it?

 

[ULITE]

At the moment I have 24h of playtime in Odyssey and I cannot believe how broken and messed up this DLC is. And it is getting worse. In the first days after launch I was much more positive than I am now. Now I ask myself what was Frontier thinking?
You should play it for a few hours to get a real opinion about this DLC and then we talk again, ok? See, it is playable in the current state but it is like watching a really bizarre train accident with planes, Yachts and cars involved .... in slow motion because of the "not so good" FPS.

 

[DoctorDanny]

People post reviews of the game that they bought. If they bought a buggy game they review a buggy game. Companies should know you release a finished game, not just chug out early access for full price and expect people to thank you for the privilege of doing your qa testing for you.

 

[Cmdr Travers]

At the moment I have 24h of playtime in Odyssey and I cannot believe how broken and messed up this DLC is. And it is getting worse. In the first days after launch I was much more positive than I am now. Now I ask myself what was Frontier thinking?
You should play it for a few hours to get a real opinion about this DLC and then we talk again, ok? See, it is playable in the current state but it is like watching a really bizarre train accident with planes, Yachts and cars involved .... in slow motion because of the "not so good" FPS.

I have played it, but I'm one of the lucky ones who's had no real issues. I'm just disheartened by the fact that people have to post their immediate reaction as reviews of the game, less than two or three days after release. Yes, it was botched, but does that justify posting a very permanent and very negative review online? How many of these dumbasses are going to update their reviews when Odyssey does improve? Probably only a single figure percentage I'd guess. How does that help the game and the player community?

 

[CMDR ZerØ]

At the moment I have 24h of playtime in Odyssey and I cannot believe how broken and messed up this DLC is. And it is getting worse. In the first days after launch I was much more positive than I am now. Now I ask myself what was Frontier thinking?
You should play it for a few hours to get a real opinion about this DLC and then we talk again, ok? See, it is playable in the current state but it is like watching a really bizarre train accident with planes, Yachts and cars involved .... in slow motion because of the "not so good" FPS.

A lot of the people defending it have played more than a few hours, but for whatever reason are willing to overlook the glaring issues with it. My issue is when they then decide that other people are not allowed to be rightfully annoyed at this dumpster fire that FDev have put out there.

 

[Bigmaec]

The game is in a sorry state.

I was usually able to play on foot quite ok'ish on my 2060 after the first hotfix, but yesterday suddenly I had sub-15 fps and that's utter craaaap.

Combined with the gazillion number of bugs it's a sorry state to release. Is it playable? Yes.
In a sorry state? Yes, too.

And the gameplay loops, exploration and especially the grind is shambolic.

 

[Cmdr Travers]

People post reviews of the game that they bought. If they bought a buggy game they review a buggy game. Companies should know you release a finished game, not just chug out early access for full price and expect people to thank you for the privilege of doing your qa testing for you.

I'm not defending Frontier, I just think that if something is clearly broken, that's not the time to post a review.

 

[CMDR ZerØ]

I have played it, but I'm one of the lucky ones who's had no real issues. I'm just disheartened by the fact that people have to post their immediate reaction as reviews of the game, less than two or three days after release. Yes, it was botched, but does that justify posting a very permanent and very negative review online? How many of these dumbasses are going to update their reviews when Odyssey does improve? Probably only a single figure percentage I'd guess. How does that help the game and the player community?

It helps the game by making people aware that it is not currently in a state where people should be buying it. Which, in turn, will make FDev realise that they need to make some improvements in order for it to be a successful product. That is how reviews work.

Not sure why you're resorting to ad hominem attacks on people who left a review for a game they have purchased - which it is absolutely their right to do.

 

[St0rmFury]

The reaction, and especially the reviews posted by people on Steam really do demonstrate how unbelievably stupid people can be.

Ayy, you wanna know what's stupid? Launching an expansion in an unfinished state and claiming it's finished!

 

[Cmdr Travers]

It helps the game by making people aware that it is not currently in a state where people should be buying it. Which, in turn, will make FDev realise that they need to make some improvements in order for it to be a successful product. That is how reviews work.

Not sure why you're resorting to ad hominem attacks on people who left a review for a game they have purchased - which it is absolutely their right to do.

I would agree, people have a right to be stupid, self-pitying, reactionary and to express those views online. It's all too depressing for me.

 

[DoctorDanny]

I have played it, but I'm one of the lucky ones who's had no real issues. I'm just disheartened by the fact that people have to post their immediate reaction as reviews of the game, less than two or three days after release. Yes, it was botched, but does that justify posting a very permanent and very negative review online? How many of these dumbasses are going to update their reviews when Odyssey does improve? Probably only a single figure percentage I'd guess. How does that help the game and the player community?

Why are they dumbasses? For someone taking about the community you're not trying very hard to be a nice part of it.

 

[gooddoc]

Most of us cmdr's who have been playing ED since day 1 & even before it was released, know exactly how Frontier work & exactly what happens after every update.
People these days are impatient & want everything now....that's not Elite, it's still a work in progress.
Star Citizen is another typical example of how they, like Elite view the progression of their product.....don't know what their forum's like though, as their game doesn't interest me.

Maybe Frontier's problem was not highlighing that ED & EDO is a work in progress & not the finished article by a long way.

 

[Cmdr Travers]

Ayy, you wanna know what's stupid? Launching an expansion in an unfinished state and claiming it's finished!

To be honest in these days of botched product launches from Microsoft, Apple, EA and the like, I'm surprised anybody is surprised about these things

 

[St0rmFury]

I would agree, people have a right to be stupid, self-pitying, reactionary and to express those views online. It's all too depressing for me.

In any case, to lash out at what people perceive to be an injustice is normal. Let them vent and let out steam (lol) for a while and things will slowly die down.

I mean, you do know the 5 stages of grief yes? We're still at the anger stage now.

 

[William J Smith]

Heres a bug for you (I was reminded of it this morning)
Team fortress 2 by valve.... valve made an update to their server that authorised players..... within seconds every TF2 player on the planet and every player owned server was kicked off and could not join/update/play the game
How about that for a SNAFU

Bill

Chill out everyone .. its a sunny day for a change

 

[Bigmaec]

Most of us cmdr's who have been playing ED since day 1 & even before it was released, know exactly how Frontier work & exactly what happens after every update.
People these days are impatient & want everything now....that's not Elite, it's still a work in progress.
Star Citizen is another typical example of how they, like Elite view the progression of their product.....don't know what their forum's like though, as their game doesn't interest me.

Maybe Frontier's problem was not highlighing that ED & EDO is a work in progress & not the finished article by a long way.

There was no highlighting work in progress. EDO was sold as a finished product, and not a season like Horizons (or Beyond).

There were many comments about the state of the Alpha and even then they told us no, all will be good.

They deserve all the flak they get for this release.

 

[Ian Doncaster]

People should know you post reviews of a finished game, as they're very unlikely to change those reviews later.

And since Elite Dangerous is planned to receive continuous development until it finally closes ... presumably it should only be reviewed retrospectively once it's permanently offline?

I've personally experienced relatively few bugs, got lucky with the server issues, have workarounds for the UI issues, and can put up with the 30 FPS I get on foot just fine ... but even then Odyssey still has some serious design issues - from my perspective, I'm sure other people are enjoying them - which mean I'm basically sticking 95% to Horizons gameplay in the Odyssey client, and those will probably persist for years.

In the meantime, it absolutely helps the game and the community for people to be warned off buying an expansion that right now is going to give them a really bad first impression. Much better if they get it in a few months after Frontier have fixed the biggest issues and they can more easily have fun with it - they're not going to miss out on anything that way.

Don't Steam review aggregate scores bias towards the most recent ones anyway? Horizons started out "mostly negative" and by the time Odyssey released was "generally positive" ... that reflects how Horizons was improved by Frontier over the five years since its release pretty well.