Has the hysteria died down yet?

Main problem with a lot of the criticism is that most of the poster's have gone well over the top, expressing their views in an offensive way.
Thinkng that they can post what they want online with anonymity & little care about the individual's they are insulting........most, if not all are only doing theirs jobs within strict instructions as directed by their bosses.
 
I'm not defending Frontier, I just think that if something is clearly broken, that's not the time to post a review.
Its been said lots of times but imagine games were like any other product.

Imagine you test drive a car (the "alpha") and it has all kinds of problems like not being able to drive over 10 km/h.

You come back the next week and the dealer promises you it's fixed. You say: "are you sure, becaus it was really broken last time I checked". "Yes I'm sure".

So you buy it and it turns out it is STILL broken. You think that's OK? You would just keep quiet and wait for a fix that may never come?

Or would you warn other people to not buy that car, at least not for now?
 
I have played it, but I'm one of the lucky ones who's had no real issues. I'm just disheartened by the fact that people have to post their immediate reaction as reviews of the game, less than two or three days after release. Yes, it was botched, but does that justify posting a very permanent and very negative review online? How many of these dumbasses are going to update their reviews when Odyssey does improve? Probably only a single figure percentage I'd guess. How does that help the game and the player community? :cautious:
I think the response was completely justified. FDEV had a relatively short alpha release kicked off with a trailer showing some remarkable planetary tech with blue skies, amazing terrain, ice planets, etc. They released a video with some less than stellar FPS gameplay and they repeatedly said that what we were seeing was from an old build and they were much further along than the video suggested. During the alpha, numerous issues were raised and FDEV, gain, said these issues either had already been fixed or were in the process of being fixed.

When the alpha ended, without a beta, they released the game that was supposedly much further along, and not only was it not further along, but it didn't address many of the issues highlighted in alpha AND they released it as a finished title and charged people the price of a full game for, essentially, DLC. What we got was a buggy mess with a beyond abysmally bad UI, weird lighting effects, clunky AI, FPS drops that make the game unplayable which they are still making a big show as being, "all a bit puzzling" despite the fact that we already KNOW the reason for the poor performance is that they aren't culling their pipeline and are spending inordinate amounts of time rendering objects that don't need to be rendered.

Now all these things can be addressed, and probably will be, but the more concerning issue is the hyped-up, amazing planetary tech which has turned out to be a MASSIVE step backward - gone are the realistic looking cliffs and outcroppings in favour of an early 2000's-style bump-mapped terrain that is bland, colourless, featureless and has lost all the interesting features and realism found in HORIZONS. Planets have been redrawn and are no longer recognisable - look at Dav's Hope, always so notable for that massive mountain, now a featureless, flat-as-a-pancake, bland, grey surface with barely even a rock visible. It's a bait and switch, an outright lie - they advertised one thing and when the alpha revealed that lie, they doubled down and lied AGAIN by saying that the actual release was much more advanced when it wasn't.
 
It was also not the time to release an unfinished product to reap end of Fiscal Year numbers based on a lie that "It will run just like Horizons" and that "hardware requirements didn't change" and last but not least "It's alpha build, main build is optimized and ready to go". QFM.
They're far from the first company to do this, and they won't be the last by any measure. I say we just get on with it and accept the world as it is. If people want to whinge about how unfair it all is, perhaps they should pay more attention to things are REALLY ARE unfair, like discrimination, hunger and war. It's shallow and self-pitying if you want my opinion (which you didn't).
 
They're far from the first company to do this, and they won't be the last by any measure. I say we just get on with it and accept the world as it is. If people want to whinge about unfair it all is, perhaps they should pay more attention to things are REALLY ARE unfair, like discrimination, hunger and war. It's shallow and self-pitying if you want my opinion (which you didn't).
saying just live with it is why companies do it and get away with it, how about demanding a product as advertised that you paid for?
 
saying just live with it is why companies do it and get away with it, how about demanding a product as advertised that you paid for?
I didn't say that. What I meant was accepting that Frontier know there are problems and have resolved to fix them. We just need to accept that it won't happen overnight.
 
Hysteria or not (well, I too feel that a lot of reactions are rather exaggerated) game publishers need to be smacked every time they decide to release buggy and unfinished product, advertising it as finished. Without it why would they even bother to fix things? Because they are nice people? They are all about money.

That being said, Elite went way too long without any significant update and I'm glad they finally released Odyssey when they did - but it should have been clearly labelled as early access and slightly cheaper. Honestly, I'm not sure if the price is right even for a DLC without technical problems.
 

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To be honest, the best display of dumbassery imaginable is posting on these forums telling people what they ought to do or ought not to do. It's at least good for a laugh tho on OPs dime.
 
But you know it's not going to stay that way for very long and that it's going to change, so it's very much NOT the time to post a review. A few weeks in, yes, but not in the first 24 hours. That just takes me back to the point about these people being selfish and childish.
They decided to release the game and not to inform their customers that it was broken and unfinished. It is on Frontier to release a finished product or inform their customers that it is not finished and still a work in progress. They did neither.

To call people selfish and childish for being mad about being sold a lie, or at the very least an omission of the truth, just blows my mind.
 
I didn't say that. What I meant was accepting that Frontier know there are problems and have resolved to fix them. We just need to accept that it won't happen overnight.
they knew they had problems before the release, lied about them, lied about the release, lied about performance and still released and are still lying in brabens letter so no, they dont deserve any relief from the pressure or negative press and reviews
 
The only problem is that after all the issues and sorted and things will have settled down, the vast majority of those negative reviews will still be there, with Frontier unable to have recourse :( that hurts both the game and the current player base.

You could think of it as an incentive to go above and beyond to fix the issues and earn those good reviews back. Time will tell I guess
 
Main problem with a lot of the criticism is that most of the poster's have gone well over the top, expressing their views in an offensive way.
Thinkng that they can post what they want online with anonymity & little care about the individual's they are insulting........most, if not all are only doing theirs jobs within strict instructions as directed by their bosses.
No one is insulting specific people, at least in the posts I've seen. No one is saying, "John Smith, the lead coder on the new terrain tech is an idiot who doesn't know what he's doing" - I think most people see this as a failing of management over-promising and under-delivering to meet a deadline. As a senior dev and tech lead, I've been bitten by this myself in the past.

It's not entirely management at fault here - the dev team at FDEV is notorious for pushing out patches that are one step forward and two steps back - look at the embarrassing disaster that was the fleet carrier release - 5 patches, each one more broken than the last, culminating in a broken PWA that remained broken for over 3 months. They tried, multiple times, to fix the availability of tritium and the hotspot overlaps, making things worse every time. Eventually, they just gave up and doubled the efficiency of tritium which solved nothing. This company has been resting on its laurels for years, doing the absolute bare minimum, and this release has burned through any remaining good-will capital they still had with the player-base.
 
They're far from the first company to do this, and they won't be the last by any measure. I say we just get on with it and accept the world as it is. If people want to whinge about how unfair it all is, perhaps they should pay more attention to things are REALLY ARE unfair, like discrimination, hunger and war. It's shallow and self-pitying if you want my opinion (which you didn't).

Yeah guys, lets forget about the 40$ alpha and lets discuss about the REAL PROBLEMS. This is infact the best place to do it.
Ill start, how do we stop global hunger?
 
They decided to release the game and not to inform their customers that it was broken and unfinished. It is on Frontier to release a finished product or inform their customers that it is not finished and still a work in progress. They did neither.

To call people selfish and childish for being mad about being sold a lie, or at the very least an omission of the truth, just blows my mind.
they knew they had problems before the release, lied about them, lied about the release, lied about performance and still released and are still lying in brabens letter so no, they dont deserve any relief from the pressure or negative press and reviews
How do you know this. Is there any evidence for it? Frontier are producing something that has to work, and work flawlessly on millions of different hardware configurations. It's not like a console where they're all the same. It's a surprise to me that things work out as well as they do most of the time.
 
They're far from the first company to do this, and they won't be the last by any measure. I say we just get on with it and accept the world as it is. If people want to whinge about how unfair it all is, perhaps they should pay more attention to things are REALLY ARE unfair, like discrimination, hunger and war. It's shallow and self-pitying if you want my opinion (which you didn't).
That's right and all, but I tend to concern myself with things I can (try to) change. I can't change world hunger, wars and discrimination. What I can do is not buy a flawed product until it is at least somewhat ready, and convince others that preordering and buying on release "because I want it NAOWWWW" is not the right thing to do. Unless one dreams of being Frontier's QA that is, then by all means, let them knock themselves out :D

PS: I respect somebody else's opinion as long as it is presented in a somewhat respectful manner, otherwise a person lands on a blocklist. This conversation is civilised so far, so we're still having a conversation ;-)
 
That's right and all, but I tend to concern myself with things I can (try to) change. I can't change world hunger, wars and discrimination. What I can do is not buy a flawed product until it is at least somewhat ready, and convince others that preordering and buying on release "because I want it NAOWWWW" is not the right thing to do. Unless one dreams of being Frontier's QA that is, then by all means, let them knock themselves out :D

PS: I respect somebody else's opinion as long as it is presented in a somewhat respectful manner, otherwise a person lands on a blocklist. This conversation is civilised so far, so we're still having a conversation ;-)
What confuses me is the people here who are saying that Odyssey should have been cheaper on pre-order to reflect that fact that it wasn't finished... but it WAS cheaper on pre-order!
 
How do you know this. Is there any evidence for it? Frontier are producing something that has to work, and work flawlessly on millions of different hardware configurations. It's not like a console where they're all the same. It's a surprise to me that things work out as well as they do most of the time.
there are plenty of statements, videos showing them saying one thing and then the reality being something else, so go look them up - maybe check yong yeas clip on yt for a start
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3mR-uBw7Ic


come back when you do your research before calling us liars tyvm
 
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