Has the hysteria died down yet?

[zombieapocalypse]

Yup, but that doesn't excuse the people who have been claiming they did it deliberately and this is what they'd intended for Odyssey to be (the whole point of my original post). Those people are selfish, arrogant, stupid and are only hurting the game and the player-base.

You could argue that it was deliberate because there is no way that FDev weren't aware of many of the issues, yet they still decided to push ahead with the launch.

It's that all-too-typical developer mentality of "we'll release the game in an unfit state, ride out the storm and try to fix it later" because they're more worried about the shareholder reaction than that of their player base. So you could also argue that FDev's behaviour was "selfish, arrogant, stupid and are only hurting the game and the player-base".

Regardless, it's a very short-sighted attitude, and now FDev has to live with the consequence and try to repair the damage as best as they can.

 

[Pigletslastand]

Also re-read what you wrote, you definitely said they were hurting the game. How? Can you expand on that, them being in a minority and all.

 

[Bug80]

Okay that's difficult to argue with. That can clearly be seen in "general terms". However it doesn't change the fact that I do specify particular language, and if people aren't using that language I was very, very clearly not talking about them. If people don't read the full post, or even worse only read the title and then reply then what the hell am I supposed to do?

The whole post is there for a reason!

I think the problem is that people - me in included - don't understand why you are so upset with such a small minority of the reviews. Why does it bother you so much? Why do you need them to shut up before you can read about Odyssey again, as you say? Why are you calling it "the hysteria" (which again sounds general to me).

It would make sense if it was not a minority, but then you ARE talking about negative reviews in general.

I really don't understand.

 

[Cmdr Travers]

You could argue that it was deliberate because there is no way that FDev weren't aware of many of the issues, yet they still decided to push ahead with the launch.

It's that all-too-typical developer mentality of "we'll release the game in an unfit state, ride out the storm and try to fix it later" because they're more worried about the shareholder reaction than that of their player base. So you could also argue that FDev's behaviour was "selfish, arrogant, stupid and are only hurting the game and the player-base".

Regardless, it's a very short-sighted attitude, and now FDev has to live with the consequence and try to repair the damage as best as they can.

Is that semantics? Are you deliberately misleading people if you make a statement without being armed with the correct information. I think we should probably cut Frontier some slack on this regards.

 

[VR StarLightPL]

OP, your whole argument at this point is that some people, and a minority it seems, claimed that it's all that it will be developed. If it's such a small minority, why bother with them in the first place? Surely their 1% voice will be drowned in s sea of love and stellar reviews for a stellar product. And yes, the original tone of your post seemed to be rather "oh noes those histrionic reviews are hurting poor FDev, it will hurt the game". Then you backpedaled to "only these who think it's all that's being delivered" and here's the second kicker:

Odyssey was supposed to be one big release. Not a seasonal content like horizons was. That means there will be a round of patching and we're done. That's why people are also upset.

Do I think Frontier did it to aggro the playerbase because they hate us? No, of course not, that would be silly.

Do I think Frontier did it on purpose and deliberately knowing what they are releasing in order to appease the shareholders? Most definitely, yes. I do wonder where share price ends around console release, it should be mildly interesting to watch. At the end of the day, all that counts is number of units sold, and if that's high enough, I doubt they will put any more effort than MVP.

 

[BDelacroix]

Looks like you got your answer OP. Hysteria level still strong.

 

[Pigletslastand]

Yes i sense a vocal minority still clinging to a passionate first opinion and unwilling to calm down

 

[Mrc_NorthEast]

Money, money, money. FDev released this hot smelly mess of a full priced game, with very minimal content, even for a DLC. People have every right to be mad, as they were taken advantage of by FDev.

 

[Cmdr Travers]

Also re-read what you wrote, you definitely said they were hurting the game. How? Can you expand on that, them being in a minority and all.

It does hurt the game, look at the world in a wider context and the press and the media. They want to make money and get attention, so they're very happy to give voices to complete idiots like QANON even though there's no truth or fact in anything they say. Online in social media, in game forums, and to an extent with the tech and gaming press this will also be the case. The idiots should learn to be quiet, and continually and repeatedly letting them get away with what is effectively libel in the name of "their opinion" helps nobody.

 

[Montgomery Dog]

The belief that it is intentional (while I believe is unfounded) likely stems from the belief that Frontier had to be trying to release a product in this state.

Agreed. However, there's an additional element of nuance.

In the Alpha forums, the specific idea that there was a super advanced internal build of the game and that we were playing a long outdated and significantly different version simply to test mechanics actually predatated Frontier saying anything of the kind. This narrative, largely invented by the most passionately invested players, was - in part - adopted by Frontier (albeit in a very oblique manner) who didn't go out of their way to disabuse alpha participants of the notion - but whilst knowing full well what state the game would be at for release.

This is what happens if you cheerlead too hard.

 

[Pigletslastand]

I will not debate politics with you but if you think a minority has swayed the majority here you are sadly mistaken.

 

[[VR] James Constantine]

Because idiots annoy me. There's no excuse for deliberate stupidity, selfishness and arrogance, and the fact that in a world so dominated by social media that's allowed at all shows how little the Human race deserves to survive the century

I find this a little ironic. From what I can see this entire thread is based on very little other than a hysterical rant against a tiny minority of people.

 

[[DOOK] Droogie]

No, I've told you I'm getting dragged into that particular rabbit hole just because you can't find another way to win the argument.

So, asking you to provide evidence of your claim is me trying to find a way to win the argument? You basically made an ad hominem post, and then won't even back up that the people you're attacking even exist.

 

[Cmdr Travers]

I find this a little ironic. From what I can see this entire thread is based on very little other than a hysterical rant against a tiny minority of people.

Oh believe me there are things I would LOVE to say in a public forum about how stupidity, arrogance and selfishness are destroying society... but it would make me sound intolerant

 

[MCCART]

Is that semantics? Are you deliberately misleading people if you make a statement without being armed with the correct information. I think we should probably cut Frontier some slack on this regards.

Didn't you ask this already? Almost 100% of the current issues were visible in the "alpha" and pointed out in the issue tracker as well as right here on this board. FDEV assured us that it was all good. Arm YOURSELF with the "correct information". It's no one else's job to do your research for you.

 

[[DOOK] Droogie]

Oh dear... please stop digging...

No, please let them continue. My popcorn is almost ready.

 

[Cmdr Travers]

So, asking you to provide evidence of your claim is me trying to find a way to win the argument? You basically made an ad hominem post, and then won't even back up that the people you're attacking even exist.

Because everybody knows they exist. There's not a single person who's commented on my post who has claimed they don't.

 

[Montgomery Dog]

OK - this has long since turned into a dogpile rather than a conversation. Forcing Travers further back into a defensive corner isn't very nice for anyone.

 

[zombieapocalypse]

Is that semantics? Are you deliberately misleading people if you make a statement without being armed with the correct information. I think we should probably cut Frontier some slack on this regards.

I think you're the one playing semantics with everyone here and dodging the counterpoints that people are making. Most of the issues that were brought up in the alpha still made it into the release. FDev also has a dedicated QA department and there is no way that many of these issues weren't picked up and reported by them. Someone high up at FDev knew all this but still decided to go ahead with the launch. Unfortunately, it's an all-too-common pattern in modern game development.

 

[Cmdr Travers]

Didn't you ask this already? Almost 100% of the current issues were visible in the "alpha" and pointed out in the issue tracker as well as right here on this board. FDEV assured us that it was all good. Arm YOURSELF with the "correct information". It's no one else's job to do your research for you.

On that score I'm just saying I don't know, but I am prepared to give Frontier the benefit of the doubt. These decisions were clearly made by the accountants and the senior leadership. It's very likely the people at the bottom of the tree (which is always the most stable part of a tree I might add) knew full well it would be a disaster but were ignored.