Game Discussions Star Citizen Discussion Thread v12
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That's my job.On the internet everyone's a developer.
I'm not disputing that. You're not grokking the humour.
Basically all the faithful on the SC sub love telling critics they don't understand software development and that somehow they do, so presumably they are all software developers.... which is funny, because so many of them seem to clearly not understand anything about software development, because they parrot whatever CIG say, and CIG really don't understand software development.
Before you say that's rubbish, i'll remind you of exhibit A.
Chris Roberts.
Just a sec, I thought iCache was just a layer to speed up querying and updating of whatever the underlying storage is. There is so much communication and yet everything is so confusing. A single presentation of the underlying topology would help. Like a typical bunch of slides from an IT conference. What are the storage mechanisms used overall? DynamoDB? Redis? Custom something? What is stored where? What are the paths for the data? What is the transport for the messages? Which requests are queued and which are synchronous? Etc.
Nothing of real proprietary nature would be revealed. AWS has many of these videos with various companies:
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This I understand, hence I mentioned jump points. If SQ42 is not vapourware at this moment, we have at least two systems - Stanton and Odin. I hope.
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I don't remember exactly when they said they switched to 64 bits position, but it was quite late into the project - a few years (actually not late in the overall picture - still way too late). It was one of the first major facepalm moments for me (space big! who would've thought?), and when I started to realise that they will probably not be able to make good on their word for the project I backed. (The other early facepalm was the claim that they would not use procgen for their planets but would handcraft all of them, only to return to procgen later ... planets big! who would've thought?)
It is something I took for granted to be solved before they started something to provide real starsystems at scale (even at 1/6 size).
Given the nature of everyone walking around in the back of the ship, doing their own thing, Loadscreens will not be possible.
Its why you can't have that in EDO while moving from loadscreen to loadscreen.
Honestly there is a point and a reason to it.
You said CIG lied about 64bits while quoting a phrase saying SC use 64bits
Nah, you were the one talking about lies. I was just replying to this bit:
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More broadly I was just poking fun at the import with which each new buzzword tech is imbued. By CIG, and by yourself.
Cases in point:
- BuildingBlocks being the platform for new mission variants and the increasingly speedy industrialisation of content rollouts such as planetary systems. When it’s just an internal tool for generating UI. (PS I notice they’re still using Scaleform alongside it, the dated Flash tool it was supposed to replace. Ouch.)
- iCache being the gateway to server meshing. Perpetually. For years. (When it’s just a fricking API)
For someone who doesn’t see these things as magic techs, you’ve certainly talked them up as such in the thread...
I guess that thought they were pulling a fast one by having shrunken head style planets, but even shrunken planets still turned out to be quite big!
32Bit precision is only accurate up to a few dozen KM, with it its not possible to have any of SC planets in it.
62Bit precision is accurate up Billions of KM.
62Bit precision is accurate up Billions of KM.
You can have the player move around on their own ship while in an interactive loading screen. Games do it all the time. They won't see or interact with anyone else while in that "zone". It's still a loading screen, just an interactive one.
Given the nature of everyone walking around in the back of the ship, doing their own thing, Loadscreens will not be possible.
Its why you can't have that in EDO while moving from loadscreen to loadscreen.
Honestly there is a point and a reason to it.
But if there’s a server handover, they won’t be walking around, there’ll be a pause during the handshake. (Or it will be designed around, via enforced seating for jump points or whatever).
ED’s current system has hitching between space & planetary surfaces for this reason. The instancing transition. (Technically you can fly directly from space to surface 'seamlessly', but the networking has to do its thing.)
Probably best to wait and see what CIG actually achieve when finally using more than one server per session
You're interacting with a physicalized object, with its own physics grid, the ship with all its systems and other players.
But if there’s a server handover, they won’t be walking around, there’ll be a pause during the handshake. (Or it will be designed around, via enforced seating for Jump points or whatever).
ED’s current system has hitching between space & planetary surface for this reason. The instancing transition. (Technically you can fly directly from space to surface 'seamlessly')
Probably best to wait and see what CIG actually achieve when finally using more than one server per session
You could do it if the game locks you out of interaction for the duration of the loadscreen, but then its obviously a loadscreen, not "Seemless"
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@VR Golgot I know, sometimes that takes a little longer than it should in EDO, longer than the prebaked animation lasts, and the game has a noticeable hang, even a momentary freeze. and you're still only sitting in you're seat.
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Yep
Don’t assume that just because you can currently walk around now during asset load you’ll be able to do so during server handovers. Which is what you were doing. (CIG talk a lot of talk about a seamless game world transitions. But walking the walk is a different matter...)
PS it’s definitely 'seamless'
64bits was not needed before 2015. It was after the change of scope.
It isn't seemless in EDO, its meant to be, but it isn't, its in a poor state and i can see the loadscreen happening, and i'm still only sitting fixed in place.Yep
Don’t assume that just because you can currently walk around now during asset load you’ll be able to do so during server handovers. Which is what you were doing. (CIG talk a lot of talk about a seamless game world transitions. But walking the walk is a different matter...)
PS it’s definitely 'seamless'
Don't assume because some other games do it, you can do it in SC, if you're walking along a corridor in a ship and the server captures your position at point A and it takes 8 seconds to load in what happens to you, your ship and your friends? do you get rubber banded back to your point A 8 seconds ago point?
Ok so fine, impossible was perhaps the wrong choice of wording, it is possible, but its not seemless, its what feels like broken.