Game Discussions Star Citizen Discussion Thread v12

Lone_star

Lone_star
Agony_Aunt said:
Amazing! Someone who is a big fan of SC asks the question if its a scam and decides it isn't! And the basis for this is he's having fun.

Well, colour me surprised!

Unfortunately, this isn't a good argument.

Let's just say, for the sake of argument, CR is indeed on the take, siphoning off large amounts of money, and he doesn't have any plans to finish the game. He's just riding it out along with Ortwin. Meanwhile, players are enjoying what is there while saying "It can't be a scam! I'm enjoying the game!"

Does that mean its not a scam? And then let's imagine, there comes a point where CR writes a letter saying SC development is shutting down. They tried, but the tech just wasn't there yet! Not to mention how its all the goons/backers/someone else's fault. Before riding off into the sunset with the piles of money he took out of the project.

And then, do backers say "Well, it wasn't a scam, because i enjoyed it!"

Now, just to make sure i'm clear here, i don't think it is a scam in the sense that CIG/CR is doing to to take money from backers without delivering a product. I'm sure CR wants with all his heart to make the game of his dreams.

I will agree it has aspects of a scam though based on how CR has clearly lied multiple times over the years to backers in order to keep the funding going. I mean, what do you call something where the boss has intentionally and repeatedly lied about the state of a product to those giving money if not a scam? I struggle to find a better word for it.

When asking whether SC is a scam, its worth keeping in mind that a scam doesn't always mean an obvious one or one where no product is delivered. Theranos was a scam without a delivered product, and i still don't know if Elizabeth Holmes was really trying to make a product or not. Fyre Festival was a disaster in management, but not an intentional scam, and they tried to deliver... something. But it was still a scam. Maybe Billy was so egotistical he thought he could still deliver right up to the end, but there were other people involved who must have known it couldn't be delivered. Chronicles of Elyaria was also a scam in hindsight (and with a bit of foresight as well), but in the early days people would shout down those who called it a scam.

Sometimes scams are not the product of malicious intent. Sometimes they just grow out of mismanagement, egotisical leaders, and other negative traits, that ultimately lead the project into its downfall.

And even should CIG succeed in delivering something approximating a good stable released product, it still doesn't clear its history or validate it. CR still lied to backers many times and he continues to lie to this day.

If you are a backer and you are fine with that, if you excuse it away, then don't complain when one day someone takes you for a ride and you lose a lot of money.
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I have the word for you. SC may not be a scam.... but it's definitely a GRIFT
 

Xink

Xink
Where's Erin? Why does Sandi only show up couple hours before a sale to reel in more whales?

Why is the only response to "Where is SQ42?" to deflect by talking about other games? So many questions. It does feel like we've been here before.

Surely there is some new material by now? Like.. SQ42 is the first quantum tech game. Once you observe it, it ceases to exist. That's why they can't show it to anyone.
 

cigwatch

cigwatch
Xink said:
Where's Erin? Why does Sandi only show up couple hours before a sale to reel in more whales?
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Perhaps this will be of interest:
www.imdb.com

Making of Star Citizen | Documentary, Fantasy, Sci-Fi

Making of Star Citizen: With Chris Roberts, Sandi Roberts. A retired producer with a dream attempts to revive his fading career by writing, directing and staring in his own video game.
www.imdb.com www.imdb.com

There is a joke to be made here. I just find it hard to formulate it.
 

LittleAnt

L
Xink said:
Where's Erin? Why does Sandi only show up couple hours before a sale to reel in more whales?
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Don't know and don't care. I play the alpha.
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Xink said:
Why is the only response to "Where is SQ42?" to deflect by talking about other games? So many questions. It does feel like we've been here before.
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SQ42 is in dev and not ready for release (as should have been EDO).
 

Agony_Aunt

Agony_Aunt
Cotic said:
Is that where things are? Throwing jabs as a way of getting back at all the valid criticism levied at SC.
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ED bad! Therefore SC good!

Or ED bad, so its ok for SC to also be bad!

Never quite sure what the point is when people do this.

Whataboutisms are like that though.

Its especially funny when someone tries to play that card on the refund sub, because there are quite a few people there who also don't like ED. So when one of the faithful wander by and say "Yeah, but ED bad" the response is, yes, agreed, but that has nothing to do with SC.
 

ZeeWolf

ZeeWolf
I guess, for me, the main difference with something like Odyssey is it got shoved out early, people get a refund. Reviews are out there. It's a fairly old fashioned method of trying to sell something to the consumer that stands up on it's own merits (or in this case not). There's pretty good consumer protection on platforms like Steam where you can write a review and read them.

With SQ42, backers were told it was going to release in 2014 and asked to pay for it's development. Then it wasn't ready. Then it was nearly ready. Then it wasn't ready. Then it was nearly ready. Then it wasn't ready. Then there was a trailer that was nearly ready. Then the trailer wasn't ready. Then it was nearly ready, then it wasn't ready. Then there was going to be another trailer or a frequent show about it but then we were told nah...Now it's not ready and backers will be "dissapointed" if they laid eyes on it and so "it's done when it's done". Almost a decade of "nearly ready" has turned into "You aren't ready and if you have a problem with that you don't understand game development".

It's "sold" on their website entirely under their terms. Refunds are very much on CIG's terms and tied in with how long you have had the PU alpha for. There are no consumer reviews and consumers will probably never read a Steam review for it.

Backers are still being asked to pay for it's development
 
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