Game Discussions Star Citizen Discussion Thread v12

I'm well enough acquainted with about 25 SC backers to know how and when they spend their money on the game.

2 of them have spent money on the game in this calender year, both less than $100, how much money have you spent this calender year, do you know how much your friends have spent?

IMO the bulk of people who play this game regularly, and i do mean the bulk of people do not spend regularly, i also don't believe the financial tracker is complete fiction, not if we again put our sensible hats on and take what we know about CIG and from that roughly figure out how much it costs to run CIG.

As for where the money on that tracker comes from, i'm constantly told its not as it currently is just shy of $375m, but in fact more like $450m because it doesn't include the tax rebates and investments CIG have received.

Are we now to reverse that to suit this argument?
Most of the backers I know have spent very little on SC over the last 2 years...they do exactly the same as more than a few of us, we ship shuffle using melts and store credit. Outside of that, I have absolutely no interest in Ci¬G's financial doings...I have an accountant who does mine so I don't have to, I just play games and muck around in tractors when I'm not :)
 
Most of the backers I know have spent very little on SC over the last 2 years...they do exactly the same as more than a few of us, we ship shuffle using melts and store credit. Outside of that, I have absolutely no interest in Ci¬G's financial doings...I have an accountant who does mine so I don't have to, I just play games and muck around in tractors when I'm not :)

Same :) not spent a penny in 2 years.
 
There was a reddit thread with backer numbers a while back, no need to guess.
  • 75% of 2.8m accounts are civilians (non-backers)
  • 720k total backers, of which 62k are concierge+
  • 142+ backers with Million Mile High Club access ($10k+ packs or very-high referrals)
  • 34k subscribers
62k concierge is massive. 720k total backers is not. If those 720k only paid the $45 entry fee, it only comes up to 3.24M

By far the most amount of sales comes from concierge. That is not even a question. See ship sale open to concierge only that made sales spike by 10x. It was literally not open for sale to anyone other than whales.

The daily funding comes from subs and existing customers melting and topping up to buy something else/buying more/buying currency.

Rest is all high flyer ship sales, funded by those 62k whales - more now since that was 8 months ago.
 
There was a reddit thread with backer numbers a while back, no need to guess.

62k concierge is massive. 720k total backers is not. If those 720k only paid the $45 entry fee, it only comes up to 3.24M

By far the most amount of sales comes from concierge. That is not even a question. See ship sale open to concierge only that made sales spike by 10x. It was literally not open for sale to anyone other than whales.

The daily funding comes from subs and existing customers melting and topping up to buy something else/buying more/buying currency.

Rest is all high flyer ship sales, funded by those 62k whales - more now since that was 8 months ago.

I am not sure subs are in the counter:
 
False at least in France.
Interest will begin to wane there in a year or two. So far the progression of direct advertising and influencer marketing has been North America > UK > Germany > France. Most of the twitch streamers I see now are French. After that market is tapped dry, I'm guessing SC will try to crack another demographic and start heavily advertising in another country.
 
There was a reddit thread with backer numbers a while back, no need to guess.

62k concierge is massive. 720k total backers is not. If those 720k only paid the $45 entry fee, it only comes up to 3.24M

By far the most amount of sales comes from concierge. That is not even a question. See ship sale open to concierge only that made sales spike by 10x. It was literally not open for sale to anyone other than whales.

The daily funding comes from subs and existing customers melting and topping up to buy something else/buying more/buying currency.

Rest is all high flyer ship sales, funded by those 62k whales - more now since that was 8 months ago.
I've said it before, most concierge backers I know have reached the admiral's club over a period of several years...and again, like Intrepid3D...most of those I know or speak to haven't spent any significant amount on Star Citizen for 2 years+... I even know a few concierge who have nothing more than an original $90 Cutlass Black package, they breached the $1K mark by subscribing for $10-$20 every month for the amount of time they've been around SC.

The big ship sales, or sales of the more expensive stuff, are being bought up by 3rd party resellers, a lot of them to sell as current CCU's for existing ships...Outside of the very few whales who top up their already large fleets of jpegs with everything new of course, there are one or two.

CCU'ing something for a relative few bucks compared to an outright purchase or melting a jpeg to buy a newer jpeg with store credit is how the majority of backers get hold of new ships. This fallacy that whales are funding Ci¬G is complete nonsense, judging purely from what I've seen over the years. Besides of the obvious ones like Jorunn and his group of big spending whaley mates...I don't know anyone who's going to be shelling out $10k every year for a load of jpegs for a space game that doesn't exist. 🤷‍♂️
 
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I am not sure subs are in the counter:
Yeah, idk.

This fallacy that whales are funding Ci¬G is complete nonsense, judging purely from what I've seen over the years. Besides of the obvious ones like Jorunn and his group of bif spending whaley mates...I don't know anyone who's going to be shelling out $10k every year for a load of jpegs for a space game that doesn't exist. 🤷‍♂️

Well, that's what the numbers say. Whether those 62k whales are real people or no, who can say. I doubt most of them go on the forums or will be honest about their spending habits with you 😅

Whether that 62k came about from 10 years worth of few bucks of transactions or ship sales is irrelevant really. And the sales tracker itself shows ship sales bring in the dough, consistently. Again whether those are real players or not, they're all part of the 62k concierges so doesn't really matter. They're all customers whether they play, post on forums or just do it for resale.
 
I've said it before, most concierge backers I know have reached the admiral's club over a period of several years...and again, like Intrepid3D...most of those I know or speak to haven't spent any significant amount on Star Citizen for 2 years+... I even know a few concierge who have nothing more than a Cutlass Black package, they breached the $1K mark by subscribing for $10-$20 every month for the amount of time they've been around SC.

The big ship sales, or sales of the more expensive stuff, are being bought up by 3rd party resellers, a lot of them to sell as current CCU's for existing ships...Outside of the very few whales who top up their already large fleets of jpegs with everything new of course, there are one or two.

CCU'ing something for a relative few bucks compared to an outright purchase or melting a jpeg to buy a newer jpeg with store credit is how the majority of backers get hold of new ships. This fallacy that whales are funding Ci¬G is complete nonsense, judging purely from what I've seen over the years. Besides of the obvious ones like Jorunn and his group of big spending whaley mates...I don't know anyone who's going to be shelling out $10k every year for a load of jpegs for a space game that doesn't exist. 🤷‍♂️
Credit in my account, because i have everything i want bought with in game credits, now i just own the MSR, a bunch of skins for it an the Vanguard because the blue paint on the Sentinel it is horrid.

So i have $40 collecting dust in my account.

Source: https://imgur.com/a/bCTN0uu


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I bought some cosmetics with the store credit I had left...plus what went out on CCU's over the last year. I have a grand total of less than a quid left :D

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Not posting my hangar list, it's so cluttered with paints, armours and occasional subscriber guff it runs to 8 or 9 pages with the ship packages and standalones all mixed in... :oops:
 
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Interest will begin to wane there in a year or two. So far the progression of direct advertising and influencer marketing has been North America > UK > Germany > France. Most of the twitch streamers I see now are French. After that market is tapped dry, I'm guessing SC will try to crack another demographic and start heavily advertising in another country.

Awww man, Russia or China. I can't decide.

Big space-head grind collective out in Russia, but such an insane market waiting in China. Will aUEC goldfarming be the killer ingredient? ;)
 
Yeah, idk.



Well, that's what the numbers say. Whether those 62k whales are real people or no, who can say. I doubt most of them go on the forums or will be honest about their spending habits with you 😅

Whether that 62k came about from 10 years worth of few bucks of transactions or ship sales is irrelevant really. And the sales tracker itself shows ship sales bring in the dough, consistently. Again whether those are real players or not, they're all part of the 62k concierges so doesn't really matter. They're all customers whether they play, post on forums or just do it for resale.
One thing I've always wondered...does the Ci¬G funding tracker count CCU transactions as a 'projected sale' of a ship? Just as an example...my $700+ Hercules A2 cost me $35 in store credit as a CCU from something else.
 
Interest will begin to wane there in a year or two. So far the progression of direct advertising and influencer marketing has been North America > UK > Germany > France. Most of the twitch streamers I see now are French. After that market is tapped dry, I'm guessing SC will try to crack another demographic and start heavily advertising in another country.

Africa!
 
I've said it before, most concierge backers I know have reached the admiral's club over a period of several years...and again, like Intrepid3D...most of those I know or speak to haven't spent any significant amount on Star Citizen for 2 years+... I even know a few concierge who have nothing more than an original $90 Cutlass Black package, they breached the $1K mark by subscribing for $10-$20 every month for the amount of time they've been around SC.

The big ship sales, or sales of the more expensive stuff, are being bought up by 3rd party resellers, a lot of them to sell as current CCU's for existing ships...Outside of the very few whales who top up their already large fleets of jpegs with everything new of course, there are one or two.

CCU'ing something for a relative few bucks compared to an outright purchase or melting a jpeg to buy a newer jpeg with store credit is how the majority of backers get hold of new ships. This fallacy that whales are funding Ci¬G is complete nonsense, judging purely from what I've seen over the years. Besides of the obvious ones like Jorunn and his group of big spending whaley mates...I don't know anyone who's going to be shelling out $10k every year for a load of jpegs for a space game that doesn't exist. 🤷‍♂️

That's because you're part of the old guard of whales. The fresh new whalers who were sold CoD in space are the new whales. They don't care about what CIG did and promised years ago. They only care about the current vision.

Once they are tapped out, CIG can move onto the next demographics which i believe is checks notes

Animal Crossing... .but in SPACE!
 
One thing I've always wondered...does the Ci¬G funding tracker count CCU transactions as a 'projected sale' of a ship? Just as an example...my $700+ Hercules A2 cost me $35 in store credit as a CCU from something else.

On the one hand, i wouldn't put it past them.

On the other hand, there is so much of that going on then i can only believe CIG would have been out of money a long time ago if they did.

On the other other hand, maybe that's why CIG never let up on the ship sales and marketing. Maybe their financials are in a much worse situation than even skeptics can guess at.
 
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