So, the Guardian Site on Trapezium Sector YU-X c1-2...
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Awww. That's a little disappointing. Thanks for the info!
nods Yeah, that's partially why I figured it was something new instead of the standard relic/key setup we've been seeing.
In the main thread, I asked whether it lines up with either of the 2 Guardian bubbles. I since looked and it doesn't.
But someone did point out, what if this was their diplomacy site? Like it's the location they built and were able to communicate with the Thargoids per Ram Tah's logs.
Ram Tah has already mentioned the areas of thargoid/guardian conflict as on the edges of the known Guardian bubble, so if this is one side of thier "bubble" and say the sites in Hawkings gap are the other side of thier relative bubble, then we are looking well and truly in the wrong areas for the "far away location of habitation"
This latest discovery tells me one thing, Inra and Ram Tah probably had a lot more knowledge ready and waiting by the time of Jameson , for them to look into than anyone actually thought, and maybe the powers have access to this too. I always wondered why Kohina Loren never got onto the Powerplay books.
This latest discovery tells me one thing, Inra and Ram Tah probably had a lot more knowledge ready and waiting by the time of Jameson , for them to look into than anyone actually thought, and maybe the powers have access to this too. I always wondered why Kohina Loren never got onto the Powerplay books.
There's also the fact that the Thargoid Ships are crashed around the Guardian Sites and this is the first attempt that we know of to weaponize Guardian relics. It could be the relics have always been weapons in some fashion and we just haven't been using them in the right way. It's interesting that the towers they're on pop up out of the ground, that would lead one to think that they were built that way as hidden emplacements.
It's not. What do you think the "shards" that the Guardian Shard Cannon fires are shards of?
I don't think that's the right way to look at it. There are small bubbles of Guardian activity around significant nebulae all throughout the galaxy - they were clearly well-traveled. Who knows, maybe those represent colonies established in some Guardian parallel to the human Dynasty Project, as fallback positions in case the Thargoid threat became existential. But the main bubble of Guardian activity is clearly the one near us.
I'd also say that the lore does set it up as being logical that the Orion region was the locus of conflict between the Guardians and Thargoids. If you look at a map of brain tree locations, it's clear that the Guardians seeded a region of space that just brushes up against the Col 70 locked sector, and maybe extends slightly inside it (see this fantastic old thread for some extended discussion on that) extending perhaps as far as the Col 70 Sector FY-N C21-3 system that is known to be highly significant to the Thargs. The Witchhead Nebula, which was not known in 2018 but is known now to be a center of Thargoid activity, is likewise not far from the edge of the brain tree bubble. So while the Guardian sites in the Trapezium Sector are quite far from their other known sites, they are not actually all that far outside the known borders of Guardian activity, and Barnard's Loop could very well be the region from which, as Ram Tah found, they were "forced to make a partial retreat". Perhaps the retreat was mutual, which might explain the nagging mystery of why, if Col 70 is so important to them, is there no known Thargoid activity inside Barnard's Loop itself?
Incidentally, the presence of a Guardian Ruin there is also interesting from a lore perspective, if the writers have kept this straight, because our previous understanding was that the Ruins are newer than the Structures, and date from long after the end of the Guardian-Thargoid conflict. That suggests the Guardians came back, if only to establish their equivalent of a communications relay - but not to stay, since they didn't seed brain trees in the surrounding area.
Right, but that was modern. The Proteus was lost in the 32nd century. So, they were trying to weaponize that relic one hundred years ago is what I'm saying.
(In seriousness - thanks for the kind words about the thread, and it's always good to see it getting shared out to other people!
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Indeed, I've had similar thoughts regarding this. The fact that there is both a Structure and a Ruin - if previous hypothesis are correct - then that means the Guardians may well have had the initial war at Barnard's Loop with the Thargoids, got beaten back (potentially to as far as where the Guardian Beacons are situated), only to then turn the tables and have the AI beat the Thargoids back all the way to Barnard's Loop.
What supports this is the Ancient Ruin - these were shrines (at least, what we gather from Ram Tah) to honour the dead.
It may be that this Shrine...
Is actually the first type of shrine the Guardians built - not because of the Civil War, but because of the Thargoid War - it could be that these shrines are to honour the fallen who had fought, on foot or on ship, against the Thargoids before they fought back and crushed them with the AI.
Here is the picture with both the Shrine and Barnard's Loop side by side...
Striking similarities, no?
I did the same, and was confused for a while. Apparently some sites need a Guardian Key, not a guardian relic.
You get keys from Guardian Beacons in space. No beacons nearby, so I left disappointed.
Does anyone know if there’s an in-game way to know if a site needs key or relic? (without trial or error)
Thanks. I'll go run and grab a key.
Well sorta, it's the layout and size. Key site are larger than relic site. I've seen 2 different layout for key site.
Here all info known so far. https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/guardians-discussions.380519/
Hmm. Interesting. Continuing the thought of similarity.
Yes, I would very much like to say that this is the guardian Temple of Orion alpha. But let's continue our research.
Picture 1, Picture 2
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Well, somewhere near there should be a Guardian Beacon, duh.
Yes, I would very much like to say that this is the guardian Temple of Orion alpha. But let's continue our research.
Picture 1, Picture 2
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Well, somewhere near there should be a Guardian Beacon, duh.
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I'm pretty sure it's a Key Site. You'll have to get an Ancient Key.